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Intentionally killing children will never be justified, everything else serves as a decoy from acknowledging this simple fact.


Israel does not intentionally kill children. Hamas does. They state it clearly.


Quite a few thousand killed by Israel, or are you claiming that's not true?


I wouldn’t call those intentional. Collateral damage in a defensive war against terrorists who are hiding among civilians is different from intentionally seeking to kill children as your only objective.


Even if Israel is definitively shown to be genocidal, what the hell do you do with that? Because the result of that determination is that you now have a conflict where both sides are genocidal against the other. How do you pick a side in that scenario without implicitly supporting genocide? Do you try to determine whether Palestinian lives are worth more or less than Israeli/Jewish lives, using your own arithmetic? Try to argue that some forms of genocide aren't really genocide when you "really think about it"?

I think it's an impossible problem from an ethics perspective.


I agree that thousands of children have been killed in Gaza - by both Israel and Hamas. Trying to pin all of them on Israel only encourages Hamas to kill more.


Quite the opposite actually.

You're free to Google the countless cases of Israel deliberately killing children, but I doubt you wanna get out of your echo chamber.


My echo chamber? I read the Gazan and other Arab telegram channels in Arabic. I write back and forth with people in Gaza (Gazans, who live there) every few days. You levy at me unfounded accusations.


Nobody in israel's army is aiming at children except maybe for some people turning crazy because of the war, which happens in every war.

Pretending otherwise is just blatant propaganda.


you were downvoted because people don't have any argument against your point : jews couldn't stop the holocaust by just surrendering, like hamas does.

The two situations have absolutely nothing in common.


So as long as there is one Hamas left standing, everyone around must die. This is what you mean?

Edit: can the non-Hamas surrender and avoid getting killed? They can't and the situations on the ground aren't that different. A Warzaw and Gazan survivor would have a lot in common.


So as long as there is one Hamas left standing, he could return the hostages and end the war.


So, you don't disagree. That's pretty telling.


Nor do you. Why can’t Hamas surrender and turn over hostages? Why should Israel put up with a continued threat against its residents of any magnitude?


Can the non-Hamas surrender and live? No, they can just stay and die. Tell me, what should a non-Hamas member in Gaza do right now to avoid getting bombed?

Edit: I found your answer to that question:

https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=45268680&goto=threads%...

Paraphrased, the children are part of the culture and may die. There are no civilians.


  > what should a non-Hamas member in Gaza do right now to avoid getting bombed
Evacuate when told to by the IDF. It's terrible, but it's better than being bombed.

But you are correct - the responsibility to end the war and prevent further civilian casualties lies squarely with Hamas. Pressure them to return the hostages, don't pressure Israel to capitulate to terrorists.


Except in practice, IDF bombs "safe" areas too. There's no out.

But it seems you are getting your way, we will find out exactly how many dead are acceptable to mr Bibi.


That's if the Israeli army won't kill the captives after they're freed.




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