I didn’t say china can’t innovate… I said that the Chinese government actively encourages and finances at a large scale industrial and economic espionage activity.
It is not "same old rhetoric" if it is in fact true. There are many publicly known examples of Chinese Espionage, including fake "police" departments in SF coercing nationals and naturalized citizens alike to commit espionage.
You don't have to take our word - you have the internet at your disposal and can locate this information freely. You are simply choosing not to.
Wait what? So you think industrial espionage is to be accepted?
> the problem is the sheer amount of one sided propaganda that you and everyone here is receiving.
I mean, you're literally doing whatabboutism with this exact line
Look I get countries looking out for their own interests and fuck the facists the US has supported but that doesn't mean I'm just willing to bend over and let governments or companies steal my company's secrets because "everyone is doing it"
Further, to be real, with the current and historical governments for each nation, I'd still rather trust the US government having the tech advantage over the Chinese one. That is abso-fuxking-lutely not an endorsement of the US government nor their actions, but, I mean the US definitely walk the walk on liberal values out of the two
If you believe the US has done what China is currently doing, then I have a bridge to sell you...
There's no point in furthering this discussion if you are unwilling or incapable of acknowledging basic, publicly accessible facts about China's espionage campaign and worse. Hint, it's not simple industrial espionage...
Whataboutism is not going to make anyone side with your position while China grows increasingly belligerent towards it's neighbors and hostile towards European and North American nations.
See for example the China National Intelligence Law’s Articles 7 and 10: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Law_of...