It is not "same old rhetoric" if it is in fact true. There are many publicly known examples of Chinese Espionage, including fake "police" departments in SF coercing nationals and naturalized citizens alike to commit espionage.

You don't have to take our word - you have the internet at your disposal and can locate this information freely. You are simply choosing not to.

> The problem isn’t that China is doing the same

Wait what? So you think industrial espionage is to be accepted?

> the problem is the sheer amount of one sided propaganda that you and everyone here is receiving.

I mean, you're literally doing whatabboutism with this exact line

Look I get countries looking out for their own interests and fuck the facists the US has supported but that doesn't mean I'm just willing to bend over and let governments or companies steal my company's secrets because "everyone is doing it"

Further, to be real, with the current and historical governments for each nation, I'd still rather trust the US government having the tech advantage over the Chinese one. That is abso-fuxking-lutely not an endorsement of the US government nor their actions, but, I mean the US definitely walk the walk on liberal values out of the two

If you believe the US has done what China is currently doing, then I have a bridge to sell you...

There's no point in furthering this discussion if you are unwilling or incapable of acknowledging basic, publicly accessible facts about China's espionage campaign and worse. Hint, it's not simple industrial espionage...

Whataboutism is not going to make anyone side with your position while China grows increasingly belligerent towards it's neighbors and hostile towards European and North American nations.

US has a intelligence budget of nearly $100 billion/year. What do you think they're doing?

In addition, the US shares intelligence with the Five Eyes on China. What do you think they share?

When was the last time you read a news story that isn't purely anti-China?

Espionage, in the classical sense is not strictly the issue. It's everything else...

What else?

You're.... Not denying that China does it though.

If GP is so wrong then argue against what they said and not what they didn’t say.

Something "feeding into" a false rhetoric doesn't mean it's false.

Facts get twisted all the time.

PLA. What? I don’t even know what that stands for. I assume it’s the Chinese army right?

Any post that is isn’t anti China here is now labeled as paid for by the Chinese government right?

It shows how much anti-China propaganda has gotten since Trump came into power and how much the US has turned nationalist.

People here have drank so much anti China propaganda that any neutral to positive post about China is immediately condemned.

To be clear I am no Trump supporter. Feel free to check my comment history if you don’t believe me.

You don’t have to be a Trump supporter. Both liberal and conservative media have been 100% anti-China since Trump came into power. Both sides use anti-China rhetorics to generate views and votes.

The consequences trickle down to the opinions and views of the average HN poster.

If it makes you feel any better I've hated communist china for as long as I can remember, decades before Trump. Free Tibet!