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Wish HN: Happy Holidays (artsandculture.google.com)
1139 points by rcarmo on Dec 24, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 252 comments


The greatest gift to my technological knowledge has been HN. The vast treasure trove of tips, tricks, tidbits, guidance, and wonder I have been given is a great thing. Though the World Wide Web has gone cold and misty in many ways, there are still many Santas riding through HN, coming down my chimney, and delivering me shiny wisdom every morning. Cheers to you all!!


This is my homepage. I love learning from this community.


I've replaced Google Now with a HN app at the home button thing. All a tap away. :)


For a while now, this site has felt to me like one of the last bastions of high-quality discussion on the internet. Many days, it's the first thing I open in the morning and/or the last at night, and I sure am thankful that amid the firestorm of superficial engagement maximization platforms, there's at least one site that consistently leaves me feeling more informed, enlightened, and rational. Happy Holidays, HN!


You said what I wanted to say, but better. Agreed completely.



I’d just like to take a moment to say how much I appreciate HN and all the work put in by dang and the moderation team. Everyone here really cares about keeping discussions lively and respectful. This is a wonderful community to be a part of!

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone!


Strongly agree. I'm deeply disappointed with the depth of discourse in other internet communities which implement upvoting; the highest voted comments are usually shallow hot takes or low-effort jokes. However, on HN the most substantial and interesting comments are the ones that typically find their way to the top of the discussion. I can't remember the last time I ever learned anything new and interesting from any other social media site, whereas the HN community continuously offers a wealth of deliberately considered perspectives.

Major thanks to the HN community and those who keep it running!


Agreed. Kinda makes you wonder why other communities haven’t been able to reproduce the level of quality and civility (I know HN is still far from perfect, but night and day vs. other platforms).

A great community to be a part of, and much appreciation to those that oversee and contribute to the high quality and respectful discussions.


There are lots of specific things one could mention - moderation, text focus, down voting, etc, but I think unfortunately the big differentiator is that (as far as I know) HN doesn't make money.


Rather, the way HN makes money (helping YC founders advertise and hire) are aligned with the interests of the community.


Downvoting, which on the surface seems less civil, leads to more civil discussions. Just my opinion of course...

Happy Holidays! I second the gratitude for all the work by dang and the rest of the HN team. Well done and thank you!


I was almost tempted to downvote this. But I disagree with you, so I won't.


I think the fact that the primary topics here are niche and therefore self selecting plays a big role - vs. open platforms (Reddit) that are not only much larger but low effort discovery wise. For me car forums still have that sense of community that is here as well, albeit a completely different topic and a vestige of the 00s design-wise.


On HN there's the process of shadowbanning entire users accounts.

By losing the noisy/spamming/trolling posters entirely, we might also lose their constructive/valuable content too.

Since I was a teenager, in the vBulletin v3+ forums era, I've wanted to develop an access control / rate limiting system where moderators would be responsible for categorizing posts depending on the contents of the submitted posts and the user who created them.


When an account has an established history, we nearly always tell them we're banning them and why:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

We only use shadowbanning when an account is new and shows signs of spamming, trolling, or serial abuse.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

> By losing the noisy/spamming/trolling posters entirely, we might also lose their constructive/valuable content too.

That's why we added the vouching feature many years ago: so users can identify and restore the valuable comments made by banned accounts. See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cvouch.


There’s no shortage of constructive/valuable content by people who don’t also regularly spam or troll, they likely stick around _because_ the low-value commenters get shadowbanned.


> By losing the noisy/spamming/trolling posters entirely, we might also lose their constructive/valuable content too.

That's why showdead is great! (The checkbox in your profile to unhide flagged and other 'killed' posts.) Not clear on if it unhides IP banned posters though. And I would like to try a forum that let you toggle it by category (IIUC Slashdot has post categories, though it peaked before my time and I don't know if they're used for that).


I regularly "report" behaving shadowbanned people. If someone has gone a while only saying productive things, the system unbans them.

On the other hand, I'm surprised how profilic certain people are. They get absolutely no feedback, but will go around trolling people several times a day.


We have to unban accounts manually, though users of course can still vouch for their comments in the meantime, which is basically a per-post unban mechanism.

If anyone notices an account that is banned that shouldn't be banned, they're welcome to let us know at [email protected]. We don't want anyone to be banned if they've fixed whatever the original issue was and are abiding by the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html).


I think the biggest thing is size. HN is "big" but also the size of a large subreddit in terms of users.


All quality internet communities I've ever seen start with strong moderation. Everything else is secondary.


As someone who has moderated forums in the past, I 100% concur that I don't know that HN is what it is without dang. And I also still can't fully wrap my mind around how he and the team have been able to guardrail the discourse to keep it as high quality as it is...especially over the last few years.

It's insanely impressive, and I'm incredibly grateful that this community exists.


I kind of agree with this. It’s like I have my grievances with the HN community, and I think there are times where articles get flagged because they are of a certain bent, but mostly it is surprisingly fair.

I’ve been (rightly) chastised by dang, though generally I try not to troll. (Sorry to those I’ve been a troll too)

For the most part I don’t know a better place to have discussions of the kind you can have here.

Happy holidays, and Merry Christmas if you’re so inclined, and a happy new year!


> I’ve been (rightly) chastised by dang, though generally I try not to troll. (Sorry to those I’ve been a troll too)

Preach. Same here. Took me a while to fit in but dang was always correct in his rebukes to me.


HN is my favorite daily read, the incredible amount of knowledge gained through this site has been one of the greatest gifts which I get to enjoy every day!

Happy Holidays!


Absolutely true, and a very Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone here!


Same to you!


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Happy holidays!


Well now, seems this Ebaneezer needs to be visited by some ghosts tonight. Merry Christmas, I hope you bring cheer and happiness to those in your life.


Some of the most outstanding things are precarious and not as well supported as they should be.

Especially those times when one single individual makes such a significant difference.

Think about Einstein, most of his life people had to face that there would be no suitable replacement once he was gone for any reason.

Christmas can mean many things to many people, of course even a miracle if you would like.

“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.” ― Albert Einstein

“I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.” - AEinstein

"I often think in music. I live my daydreams in music. I see my life in terms of music.” ― Albert Einstein

Frosty, Redbone w/ Dr. John:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXfDBH2bij4


Sir Reddit is down the hall


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Long time lurker. Your attitude suggests you're not feeling jolly and merry. Not a Christmas fan I assume?


I've always found it so weird that "account age," or lack thereof, is used as an attempted insult here and on Reddit. I've remade my account, both here and there, several times, as I'm sure a large majority of other users have at one point or another. Account age is literally and figuratively meaningless.


Profile says your account is…5 months old?


HN is 15 years old. It isn't fragile and its position isn't precarious.


1: how are hosting costs paid for?

2: how many people need to get hit by a bus to bring it down?

Yes, it is fragile and precarious and transient. Why would you delude yourself? I think your emotions are clouding your logical faculties. If Dan G got hit by a bus I know for a fact there is nobody who could replace him.

To serf

That’s a very elegant observation. When I imagine hacker news shutting down I can only think of the massive implications it would have for my life and I imagine feeling scared because it’s like a part of me is gone. It would be a massive thing and I’m not sure everyone like me realizes it. I’m working on a replacement now even if that’s insane and impossible.


1. Hosting costs are paid by Ycombinator, in exchange Ycombinator alumni can see each other(orange names I think), there are job ads for Ycombinator companies and launch threads for Ycombinator companies. dang talks about it often.

2. I think there are two active moderators, that also work on the software side. I have no idea if they are the only people that can do this job or the best in a long list of candidates, so it's hard to answer that question.

> If Dan G got hit by a bus I know for a fact there is nobody who could replace him.

I think that too, and that makes his presence and contributions all the more valuable to me. In a way, the fact that you care deeply about this place shows how special it is. I think that as long as there are people like dang and you around, HN or its spirit will find a way.


> 1: how are hosting costs paid for?

This site is literally owned and operated by billionaires. Sam Altman could fund it with the change under his couch cushions.

>2: how many people need to get hit by a bus to bring it down?

Certainly more than one. Dang isn't even the only moderator.

>If Dan G got hit by a bus I know for a fact there is nobody who could replace him.

See point 2.

>When I imagine hacker news shutting down I can only think of the massive implications it would have for my life and I imagine feeling scared because it’s like a part of me is gone. It would be a massive thing and I’m not sure everyone like me realizes it.

This is just an internet forum. Most people are just here to waste time, and in the grand scheme of things, even within the tech industry, it isn't that important. The degree of emotional dependency and instability you're displaying here is unhealthy.


I can't reply to the rest of your replies due to karma bombing, but I wanted to point out : Many beautiful things are fleeting, and many of those beauties exist exactly due to their ephemeral transient nature.

I've never thought of HN as one of those 'beautiful and fragile' things, especially after over a decade -- maybe I will once it's gone -- I simply want to point out that some of the world's most beautiful things are in-fact 'precarious and transient' , and that makes them no less spectacular.

Happy holidays, everyone.


> This isn’t the fucking Disney channel, there’s no rule where I have to be jolly.

This made me laugh out loud, thanks for that. I wonder what rules your posts were breaking for it to be flagged?

It's true, there isn't a rule to be jolly, and I think you raise good points about the bus factor. What would happen if dang went away? Is there any universe where we can solve this bus factor such that it's decentralized or its capability grows naturally to another person?

For what it's worth, my last question might as well be rhetorical because Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. still hasn't solved moderation at scale, despite the vast pool of resources.


What better than a Blob Opera rendition of the Sea Shanty Wellerman to close off the year: https://g.co/arts/GhWUzQAG8U6Q5B387



The Satie blob opera is hilarious but sadly i lost the link.



whoa i tried doing some recordings and it was complete crap - how the heck do you get them to sing at once and jump notes?


This is one of the precorded ones, but if oyu check one of the sister comments you can see that a guy hooked up his MIDI keyboard to it. So I guess something like that :-)


Merry Christmas, Hacker News.

To put everyone in the proper mood, here are the Commodore 64 Christmas demos: https://rittwage.com/c64pp/?pg=xmas


Beautiful, thanks. Happy Christmas!


Thanks for this! I have fond memories of watching the first one as a kid.


Happy holidays everyone!

Not sure how you all see it, but in my experience people rub off on other people. We are, to some degree who we hang with. I choose to hang here because I am better for it, and say that unabashedly! So many of you have had an impact on me, some small, some larger than you will know.

Thank you all for all the bits of knowledge, perspective, curios, life stories, experiences and more! These are the things I am better for. I see many different kinds of voices, ages, stations in life here, and appreciate that we all share a little bit of our time and ourselves. It's both worth what you paid and priceless!

Been a tough couple of years for many of us. May you and yours grow and prosper, laugh, play, build, love, explore and live well and long into the future!

@dang & Co. -->You should feel good about what this little place on the Internet is. Thank you and others behind the scenes who remain willing to insure it continues to exist. Seriously appreciated.


Happy holidays, HN. I just want to say a few things about the community.

I'm an undergrad dabbling in software development. I don't remember how I stumbled upon HN but I'm so glad I did! I used to search randomly for good articles, links, resources, tools, books, etc. And HN is a treasure trove of those.

Heck, I use HN Algolia as a search engine! Want some resources about SQL? Search for "learn SQL". Want to know about a software? Search "caddy" and know in-depth opinions.

And the discussions. Even reading the comments feel so insightful sometimes.

I can't even comprehend how the top-notch moderation is done. It just makes me go, dang, that's amazing.

People here care about simplicity, performance, minimalism. People here care about making, learning and growth. They care about privacy. They are critics. They are skeptics (in a good way). People here are experienced. It is always so surreal to me when I see a news like "Y gets N Million Series F" and the CEO of Y is just waiting in the comments like "Hey HN! x here, happy to answer any questions :)".

Obviously there are trolls, people who spread unnecessary negativity but it's again refreshing to see them downvoted to opacity: 0;

All in all, I'm really grateful for HN, the people in it and its /moderators?/. I'll continue to use HN as what it is for me. A place to seek resources, insightful content, fun tools, advice, rational discussions and constructive opinions.

Thank you, HN. Happy holidays to you and your families!


There was a tool posted a few days ago which helps finding older content on Hacker News: https://hn.lindylearn.io/

I found some pretty cool articles and discussions with it.


Thanks! Lindy Learn looks awesome. Happy holidays!


Merry Christmas to you all. Incredible!!

P.S Wish the next iteration allows for multi touch!


O.o

I was debating pulling my phone out wondering if playing with multitouch would be worth it, but definitely had to double check after reading this.

Yep, this version doesn't support multitouch! Can only agree that would be much much more interesting.


it'd be nice if you could create loops at least then run them in parallel... like maybe have a record button under each blob then when you push the big play it combines them...


That's kinda getting into sequencer territory, but also sounds fun.


The only site that I visit every day multiple times without fail. I can't remember a single day that I have not been on HN in the last 5 years. There's a lot I have learned and it would be silly on my part to say that I haven't been entertained. So a huge Thank you to HN and particularly the moderation team for all that you do. Happy Holidays !


Merry Christmas to the entire Hacker News community. I am so grateful for this funny orange site, and the people who gather here.


Seems like they changed the CSS, I thought my network was bad or something but they put on a tad bit of Christmas colors.


መልካም ገና! From Ethiopia :)


Stay safe and wishing you a peaceful year ahead.


As the world has gotten more divided and angry, it is easy to get swept up in the discourse, much of which can be intense.

I hope that this time of year grants many of us the opportunity to take a step back and reflect on our shared humanity.

In the thousands of years that human civilization has progressed, we have had some bad ideas and some good ideas. I think of Christmas as a time of year where we can all, regardless of our religious views, appreciate one of our best ideas: that we can all find it within ourselves once a year to sacrifice something... anything - our time, a little spare change, a friendly gesture or even just spreading some festive cheer, because we want to do something nice for someone else and make their day just a little bit better.

May your days be merry and bright.


Christmas can mean many things to many people, of course even a miracle if you would like.

“There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.” ― Albert Einstein

“I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be.” - AEinstein

"I often think in music. I live my daydreams in music. I see my life in terms of music.” ― Albert Einstein

Frosty, Redbone w/ Dr. John:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXfDBH2bij4


Merry Christmas, hacker news! I hope you are all having a wonderful weekend full of good things.


Merry Christmas and Happy Hacking from NorthWest Arkansas! Don't let the hogs get away from you! :)


Represent the NWA! One of my best friends just moved to Fayetteville. I've not had a chance to visit yet but hear great things (open minded bi-coastal here)


This is incredible! While just controlling the soprano, it does the voice leading for all the other voices and composes together actual chord progressions. I don't have a good enough ear to determine whether it actually stay in the same key, but I could definitely hold it on a dominant chord and then it would resolve to the tonic as I moved. I even heard a suspension thrown in there!


Merry Christmas! May you benefit from the kindness, love and humanity this season strives to visit upon all.


Happy Holidays you glorious HN bastards!

Get off the internet and go spend some time with the family, so there's more bandwidth for me.


Happy belated Hanukah, Merry Christmas, Happy Three Kings Day, Happy belated Solstice, and may 2022 make up for 2020 and 2021.


Happy holidays to all.

This corner of the internet is always a great source of motivation and discovery, and suprising amount of insight.


Merry Christmas and keep safe. Hopefully you will be able to travel a fun and rewarding path in the New Year.


Merry Christmas to all who come here and to the moderators and mainteners of this wonderful site. This is an oasis of intelligent debate and information rarely found on the web.


Crăciun fericit!

Happy holidays to all HN-ers and to their close ones.


Merry Christmas, HN! Peace on Earth, goodwill toward all!


Happy holidays. I only started using HN around a year ago and while I wish communication on here would be more relaxed and less formal in many ways, the place has a very nice community that's always ready to engage in insightful conversation.


Glory to God in the highest; peace on earth and good will towards man. Merry Christmas HN.


Wesolych swiat i wszystkiego najlepszego:>


Huge thanks to the team and community here at HN. I don’t know what else I’d use my phone for if it wasn’t for this site! My favourite source of procrastination.


Happy Festivus for the rest of us!

And now for the traditional airing of grievances...

[this account has been banned]


Festivus pole in place!


Happy (just passed) Solstice! The light has once again won against the darkness.


Frohe Weihnachten, HN! o/


Personally my main celebration is Perihelion but I will allow myself a quiet drink on Xmas day. Happy Astro event / Xmas everyone!


Happy holidays everyone! It's truly a privilege to be part of such a great community, especially in today's troubled web.


God Jul from a Swedish expat in California!


Happy holidays, with warm wishes for a good spin around the sun for all next year!

I like watching The Snowman this time of year, and the 1982 version with the original introduction is my favorite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE9KpobX9J8


This little poorly-kept secret brings me so much joy. I wish all of you the best in the coming year.


Joyeux Noël tout le monde!


Feliz Navidad HN!!!


¡Feliz Navidad!


Felices Fiestas para todos en HN!


Feliz Navidad!


Feliz navidad al mundo hispano!


Igualmente!


Feliz Natal!


Merry Christmas and thank you! I've learned a lot from you all the past 2 years.


Merry Christmas! Frohe Weihnachten from Austria!


Merry Christmas and a Happy Saturnalia

and my favourite xmas tune (I believe in Father Christmas) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfY4b1NszpY


Merry Christmas to all of you!


Merry Christmas and Happy new year to all you wonderful people and your families.


Happy holidays to everyone at HN - Sri Lanka. It's being an awesome year


Joyeuse fêtes! From Montreal :) Very grateful this community exists.


Joyeuses fêtes à tous! Outstanding :)


Merry Christmas from the Great White North, to all our HN friends and debaters. May all your varied Gods, bless you with a bit of peace, a bit of joy, and as much love as possible.


Happy holidays everyone! I made this card for you all https://i.imgur.com/mtAbU6c.png


My next holiday is Tu Bishvat. If it's December 24th, it's OK to say by name the holiday you're referring to: "Christmas." I won't be offended.


Happy holidays!


Joyeux Noël from France. HN is a bastion of calm and intelligence, may it stay that way for a long time and inspire other communities. Merry Christmas to all of you.



I clicked "jingle bells" from the music list, but the blob gang song something I never heard of. Is it another jingle bells than the famous one?


メリークリスマス


And a Merry Christmas to you too! So glad I can read katakana now!


Certainly makes eating out easier!


Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night (and day)!


Happy Holidays all! Thankful for HN and the community!


Merry Christmas everyone!

Feliz Navidad a todos!


I love everything about this. Happy times to all.


Merry Christmas HN & Google. Hopefully one day Google will acknowledge Christmas and Hannukah instead of Holidays.


The opera actually sounds ridiculously great. Also merry Christmas HN, it's like the colleagues I don't have.


¡Bon Nadal a tothom, HN!


I got my first break here. HN is my home since I left social media. Merry Christmas to an amazing community.


Gelukkig Kerstfeest :)


Thanks, HN, for helping me learn a lot.


Happy holidays everyone, and thanks to HN for all the fish and a wonderful community! By the way, who said that Xmas songs are dull? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxl3Jx6Zn9c


Christmas Eve, and twelve of the clock.

“Now they are all on their knees,”

An elder said as we sat in a flock

By the embers in hearthside ease.

We pictured the meek mild creatures where

They dwelt in their strawy pen,

Nor did it occur to one of us there

To doubt they were kneeling then.

So fair a fancy few would weave

In these years! Yet, I feel,

If someone said on Christmas Eve,

“Come; see the oxen kneel,

“In the lonely barton by yonder coomb

Our childhood used to know,”

I should go with him in the gloom,

Hoping it might be so.


God jul!


Happy holidays all! Just wanted to say thanks for everyone's contributions. HN is a special place for nerds like most of us here: tons of useful information and discussions that are often difficult to find in offline world. Let 2022 be even better!

mov ax,0x4c00

int 0x21


Merry Christmas, HN!


I love this. Thank you so much! And thanks to the mods for keeping us all sane this year.


Merry Christmas!

And upvotes for all!


Merry Christmas to everyone!! Lets hope next year the covid situation improves more.


Merry Christmas to you all, enjoy the time with family and take a break for bit!


Happy holidays for everyone! Love the platform, love y'all. Keep it up!


メリークリスマス!


I would also like to say that being a part of the Hacker News website and community is golden. I think that I have said enough...

Besides that, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone!


Merry Christmas everyone!


happy holidays... I'm not religious anymore... but a humanist... my wish and hope for the new year is to see less political divides, more coming together, and better rights for workers, less inequalities, and for us to find solutions to things like wealth inequality and housing prices, and real solutions that at least slow down global warming some...

there's so much doom and gloom, and I probably spend too much time in r/collapse and similar subs but it's nice to at least sprinkle in some hope.

I think we'll die fast if we rely on politicians to fix all our issues. the people here in HN are some of the brightest...

I'm hoping to see more stories about people in tech starting cheaper housing initiatives or starting some sort of worker co-op that is self sufficient but also helps people have better alternatives to Amazon and Walmart and current health offerings..


Priecīgus Ziemassvētkus!


Happy Holidays!

The powerful demonstration of how AI can change the Art World


Merry Christmas people.


Merry Christmas from the UK. Grateful for this community!


Wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!


Joyeux Noël à tous.


క్రిస్మస్ శుభాకాంక్షలు. From Hyderabad, India!


What an awesome script :)


Ela unaru


Tameɣṛa n Nwal tameggazt!

(In Kabyle language, from Algeria!).


Merry Christmas!


Merry Christmas!


Merry Christmas!


Šťastné a veselé vianoce; from Slovakia :)


¡Feliz navidad!


Feliz navidad!


love a good blobpera


Merry Christmas and happy new years


Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!


Merry Christmas and Joyeux Noël HN!


Áldott, békés, boldog karácsonyt és sikerekben gazdag új évet mindenkinek Magyarországról!


Happy Holidays HN! Buon Natale.


Party hard!


Merry Christmas to all HN-ers!


Merry Christmas HN

that was fun. thanks Google.


Looks like it may be using metaballs? Pretty cool demo.

Happy holidays / merry Christmas all


Wishing all a wonderful Christmas and good health to you and your families.


Today had some really good threads, I ended up bookmarking a couple for later.


Wishing everyone happy holidays! I’m so grateful for this amazing community.


Merry Christmas to everyone!


Merry Christmas to all of you! Peace on Earth, goodwill towards men!


Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to Hacker News admins and users.


Merry Christmas from India


Happy holidays, merry Christmas. The link is kinda unrelated thought


Bottom right is a switch to let it snow and have them sing a Christmas song ;-)


Merry Christmas everyone!


Happy Holidays everyone.


God Jul till er också!


Frohe Weihnachten :)


happy holidays all, may you live long and prosperous


Merry Christmas! I’ve learned much from this site.


Sărbători fericite!


Vrolijk kerstfeest!


Merry christmas hn!


Merry Christmas!

God jul from Norway!


Merry Christmas and a Happy New year everyone!!!


Geseënde kersfees!


En vir jou en julle ook!


Merry Christmas Everyone

Wishing you a fantastic holiday. Enjoy!!!


Merry Christmas to all my fellow hackers! :]


Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone!


Merry Christmas!


Merry Christmas!


Happy Holidays!


Herkese iyi bayramlar!

Hamıya xoşbəxt bayramlar arzulayıram!


Merry Christmas to everyone here on HN!


Feliz Natal :)


Merry Christmas and Happy holidays


Merry Christmas! Nollaig Chridheil!


Thanks dang.


May the newborn Jesus Christ free us from this world and show us the way to God.

Merry Christmas to the Hacker News community!


May the Dark Lord remove the veil from your eyes and show you the true malevolence of the one you call God. Hail Satan!


(Psst, that was >2000 years ago. He's ∞+2k years older now. Agree with everything else.)


That's just beautiful.


na∙thaal∙na shu∙bᴴaa∙shish!


God Jul!


聖誕快樂!


Merry Christmas

wagmi


Merry Christmas everyone:)


Merry Christmas everyone!


Merry Christmas everyone!


Get off the computer, put down the phone and spend some time with loved ones if you can.


what if hackernews is my loved ones?


Herkese iyi seneler!


Merry Christmas, HN!


Feliĉaj ferioj HN!


Happy Holidays :)


Merry Christmas!


i like the blobs


Merry Christmas!


Merry Christmas!


Merry Christmas!


Merry Christmas!


Happy holidays!


Feliz Natal HN!


Pachalafaka!


Thanks.


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There’s absolutely no need to pick a fight in this thread, or any thread. Why don’t we all practice some grace in the Christmas/holiday spirit?


It’s incredibly rude to respond to someone wishing you good will by criticizing how they do so.


Happy Festivus to you despite your need to bring political commentary into this thread.


Grievances aired!


Exactly.


There are like four holidays happening right now, and HN is multicultural. This is not your bubble.


I've been saying and hearing Merry Christmas wishes from people of all cultures all across the world and the only people who cannot bring themselves to say it are pretentious rich white priveledged bay area progressive tech bloggers on HN.


Nail status = hit. Merry Christmas ;-)


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What terrible experiences to live with. You are more important than PG, then whoever claimed association with PG, and than all the others. They don't matter much at all compared with you and your life. To heck with them. Forget they exist - they will fade away - and do what you love. You have a chance to do it, and nobody can stop you.


My hearing is blown out, has been for a long time, and the damage has finally caught up to me. I stopped music despite a few attempts to restart it with my hearing disability; I can't use power tools; and, my concentration to use computers has gone away. I am homeless with no career, and live in a constant state of suicidality with no ability to finish suicide.

Yes, I am seeking medical treatment and disability compensation, but this process takes time. I'd prefer death, except I lack the ability to complete suicide.

No, I am not important at all except to me. Entities and people I am calling out are more important to society than I am. As such, they can get away with shenanigans such as targeting US citizens to destroy them. This can and does happen. There is no accountability by big tech corporations or related thugs. If I died, few would notice or care.

The bottom line is that the rule of law is different when you're a VIP or VIC, versus a commoner like me -- regardless of the extent of my grievances. Humanity is littered with low class wealthy powerful sociopaths - and we depend on such amoral folks to move society forward, even if a few folks wind up as cannon fodder.

My desire to die is both due to my hearing disability, and also cemented by learned helplessness developed over a lifetime of dealing with unaccountable sociopathic apes. Dying peacefully in my sleep this holiday would be, by far, the greatest gift. Please, God, kill me before 2022.


What happened to your hearing? Does sound hurt - is that why it affects your concentration? It's painful to hear about how hard it is.

I've know from others that accessing government services can be insanely bureaucratic and time-consuming.

> I am homeless with no career

I'm glad you can at least hang out on HN.

> I am not important at all except to me

I hope you have empathy for yourself for all the pain, emotional and otherwise. If you love yourself the other entities have little power over you. It's only if you look to them that they can affect you.

I'm glad you are getting some help! Maybe give yourself some love for the holiday, at least - to hell with everyone else.


There's a lot of very interesting information here that only prompts further curiosity.

Music sounds important to you. How impactful is the hearing damage you speak of?

Why can't you use power tools? Are they unbearably loud to use due to the hearing damage? How long can you tolerate in-ear earplugs for (possibly with high-rated passive earmuffs over the top) - or does this exacerbate other symptoms?

The concentration issue is particularly interesting. How would you say this relates to your hearing damage? Do you experience anxiety or brain fog when near/using certain devices? (I do; it can be cripplingly annoying, and in some cases dangerous.)

Regarding your points about suicidal ideation, on the one hand it sounds to me like you're expressing passive interest in the idea similarly to how someone might uninvestedly say of something "oh that might be interesting to try one day [after I count to infinity twice]", while on the other hand it sounds like you're really pushing to try and make this happen - on its own. At least that's how I'm reading your comment - I've often wanted things to self-activate because I haven't had the activation energy to fully resolve intent to motivated execution. I've recently realized this is just another expression of depression, and may (incidentally trying to get to the bottom of this) correlate with executive function impairment.

For what it's worth, there is absolutely nothing and nobody stopping you from jumping off a bridge, or heading to a train station, or tripping over your shoelace right as a truck is going past, or finding out just what a knife will do depending on where you use it, or any number of other methods. (Those are some of the ideas I've noodled over myself for the past few years.) Nobody is holding a gun to your head and requiring you to pick a specific method, "the right method." Structurally speaking, there is no fundamentally correct way to live or die. You get to pick and choose what's correct.

If you're struggling and on the fence with the how, perhaps the insight you seek lies not in considering one outcome vs the other (where the only common element is perhaps "I want closure"), but in deeply considering (as a major project) the focal point associated with the mental mechanical dynamics of the fight itself. Why is that argument happening, both in terms of causative input and neurological steady states? Despite the obvious components of learned anxiety in your statement that you lack the ability to suicide, it also sounds to me like you're trying to reach toward understanding the fight (in spite of the impediment of depression), which is a really good thing, and IMHO represents forward progress that if anything should be pro-rated to correct for the dismissive influence of depression.

You're also correct that vanishingly few people will know of your death if you do disappear forever. The Internet doesn't auto-chronicle us humans automatically 24/7 using AI (...yet, yikes), so we still get a significant role to play in how we represent ourselves to the rest of the world. The constant engagement required to sustain this can definitely be a terminal drain (I only frequent HN, myself, and don't comment much), but IMHO how much effort I make engaging, defending, etc has no bearing on the fact that some people choose to strategically do the "right" thing in the right place at the right time and achieve disproportionate influence and power over others as a result (with "right" quoted because it means whatever will move these people forward in the moment). I agree that it definitely stinks for circumstantial cheatcodes to land in the laps of undeserving people who then keep the benefits to themselves (and then some), but that whole sphere is a zero-sum game that calls for moral bankruptcy as table stakes, and you'll never succeed at trying to fight against it. If you have friends or people you empathize with that are impacted by such people, you'll never win by trying to take the big guys on because they will always fight dirtier than you choose/want to (and the law seems to have a curious permeability to this sort of dirty fighting).

One of the things I've been thinking about recently (it's pretty basic, but something something developmental delay, so it is what it is) is the extent of the split between the world of ideas in our heads and the world of what we retrospectively realize we've accomplished in practice. The world in our heads achieves justified cohesion by modeling the "right" ways to do things (spanning everything from morality and belief systems to aesthetic preferences in design or programming to knee-jerk editor wars which typically fuel off of experience level (and not wanting to look stupid)), while the world of what we actually accomplish is what contributes toward the emergent cohesion of society. There is a very real and very cognitively-dissonant split between these two worlds, in which feral sociopaths that would have significantly contributed to "the state of the art" in WWII-era concentration and torture science, are indeed part of the ostensible "furthering" of society. Such is the architecturally broken foundation of humanity; I am currently absolutely convinced there is no solution to this save for declaring that the boundaries of my moral compass are hard-limited by the boundaries denoted by Dunbar's Number, and deciding to keep good friends.

I can't really provide a more targeted response without additional context. It would be very interesting to hear more about your story, I think!


How impactful? Suffered T & H for a long long time. I don't enjoy listening to music anymore, much less performing.

T: four tonal ranges in one ear, two in other; non-aggravated significant flare-up's in both. Stress is a factor. Some tonal ranges have morphed over time from pulsatile to resonant; none are purely sinusodial; they cover lows to mids to highs.

H: I become angry from loud sounds and sometimes quiet ones. Any exposure increases sensitivity. Stress is a factor.

Earplugs w/muffs: any exposure to vibration/noise aggravates both T and H. With no hearing protection on e.g. a miter saw, I'd risk an ER visit. Even one unprotected cut introduces significantly amplified T for days.

Programming: Any brain activity increases T & H, incl'g coding, social activities, or anything involving interacting with technology and society, for that matter. Programming specifically causes my brain to always be "on", which is particularly bad for T.

Life outcome: Was told no treatment existed, so I tried to deal with it and move on with life. Didn't work. That was decades ago.

Suicide: peaceful method available, not the problem. Persistent fear of death exists.

Mental theories about serotonin imbalances, DSM nonsense, etc: I have found humanity to be distasteful since childhood. Conscious decision. Please kill me now.

Limited social networks: in the space / satellite / cam age, this is impossible. I am not moving underground.


T: I'm curious if you ever listened to exceptionally loud sounds at or near the problem frequencies either once-off or over an extended period of time. I also wonder if/how well the technique where you put your hands over your ears and flick your fingers works (I'm quietly hoping you haven't heard of it and it's useful :D). (I hold my index/2nd finger slightly away from my head, but mostly the same as https://trudenta.com/this-simple-trick-may-help-with-tinnitu...)

H: It sounds you're describing a death spiral feedback loop where the H increases the T which aggravates the H which...? I can kinda understand your overall worldview now. Also, how do you mean that you become angry? Sensory-overload driven perpetual aggravation ("bar-fight mode")? A feeling of core breakdown leading to an event-horizon "everything goes white" or "bomb goes off in movie and nobody can hear anything" level of fundamental disassociation? (Those are the two reference points I have the most familiarity with, to a small extent.)

Earplugs: Without wishing to ask triggering questions, I'm very curious why this input risks you ending up in ER (and (generally) why) - panic attacks, "please just knock me out" levels of T, unbearable mental stress, or...? (Maybe a combination?)

Programming: It being problematic for your brain to always be "on" is fascinating. For me, I find that my own hypersensitivity impacts my ability to access that place that reasons about complex problems and makes creative leaps, which strongly overlaps with fundamental calmness and tranquility. When I'm overloaded, it's like the pathway I use to access that place of internal calm is involuntarily monopolized by "immediate problem! must be alert" that doesn't go away and gets REALLY old very quickly. Similar to when someone's trying to settle down and go to sleep but can't because of persistent disturbance that never stops. My ability to use a given device is based on whether I can compartmentalize the bit of my brain that seems to need to remain "on" and hyper-vigilant until I slooooowly acclimatize and integrate the idea that the input isn't the end of the world, and finally relax. I'm curious if any of this resonates for you.

Muffs: Oooh. I get the impression you still have to avoid strong resonance even with earplugs and muffs in. Yeow. What level is "too much" with everything you can get your hands on?

Suicide: I was completely out of the ballpark with the direction I went in there, welp. I'm curious as to the root of your fear of death, although that's getting into personal questions that don't require answers. FWIW, my own worldview is that accepting one's expiration date is a form of obedience toward the consequences of the fallen mess we're in, and strict naïveté of the exact specifics about the when and how isolates our inevitable physical death from influence and conditioning by our fundamentally broken desires and intentions. TL;DR, I've drunk the "we probably do live forever" koolaid and think that messing with the implementation details touches things that are not meant to be touched for safety's sake, and that's where my own fear comes from.

Medical diagnoses: I personally wouldn't classify the root of unrest you're describing as being fundamentally based on a serotonin imbalance or DSM implication. It definitely sounds like something else. I've personally been trying to get to the bottom of my own sensitivity issue with VeRy PrEdIcTaBlE results for over a decade, and I can relate to your disenfranchisement about society (and particularly the medical (and educational) establishments).

Social networking: I would describe my own social interaction overall as generally "sustainably perfunctory", with HN being the primary focus I actually pay attention to :). As for the surveillance aspects of society, that's a firehose problem the world has made for itself that I'm slowly learning thankfully requires less attention and emotional investment than all the privacy sheep insist is necessary.


I've tried the fingers flick, no change.

I've dewaxed at the doctor, no change.

Target sounds - sounds risky. I'd rather do in a clinical setting.

There are new experimental drugs and techniques in the pipeline. Many vets suffer from this; many have it far worse than I do currently. There's a real need for new treatments.

My hunch is that we'll want to develop risk profiles for T and H based on genetics. My ears are sensitive and I shouldn't have exposed myself to loud sound at all as a kid. Probably should be part of military admission screening.

I've had this for a long time. It was so unbearable at first that I was sure suicide was inevitable. (Still seems that way). But, the remediation for me is low stress, low exposure to sound, get enough sleep, avoid activities that exasperate T and H. It's not as bad as it was when I got it long ago but has never gone away. Damage is done, though - to my life, career, relationships.

Anger: I never experience true quiet, so my baseline cortisol is elevated. I become easily angered. Yelling mostly. This raises my T and H. Any significant brain activity raises my T and H. I never finished uni nor accomplished much. My attention span was wrecked after I got this.

Tech: I detached a few years ago when I decided to drop out of life, prepare for suicide, and focus on shitposting 24/7 until death about the largely unattributed scumbag targeting incidents that I've accumulated over decades. Problem solving isn't on my radar any longer.

Muffs: Sure, I can wear muffs and plugs for short jobs. I'd be ok. But I'd prefer no exposure because it took decades for the T to subside, and only a few months of playing a musical instrument (with muffs and plugs) to make it worse again. That was about 3-4 yrs ago; T still worse than it was 5 years ago. Any exposure is risky.

Societal issues: Zero Trust, applied to technocratic incumbents means breaking up big tech, banning data hoarding and data brokering, banning cameras everywhere, policing satellites - a futile pipe dream, indeed. The risks of power asymmetry via tech will only rise. I am not optimistic at all about the future of democracy. Asymmetric power hoarding opportunities will probably increase significantly over the next 50 years - a scary prospect.


Sorry to hear the finger flick doesn't work :(. TIL about dewaxing (why anybody would even think that would help...).

Sound targeting is IMO something only worth doing in an especially-exotic clinical setting in particular - like fMRI while anesthetized, or watching skin resistance or brainwave baseline or reading cortisol level directly out of the bloodstream or something.

(I was actually trying to ask about how this all started, although sound testing is the far more practical disambiguation of what I (unclearly) said!)

I wonder what you can realistically do to try and "sensitize the bar" (in the sense of raising or lowering it), as it were, so more people can be classified in the "actually untenable level of baseline stress" group - so you can then be classified under the "significant life impact" FDA exemption thing.

> My hunch is that we'll want to develop risk profiles for T and H based on genetics. My ears are sensitive and I shouldn't have exposed myself to loud sound at all as a kid. Probably should be part of military admission screening.

Shakes head I think I can see what you mean about "society is broken", this sort of thing definitely should be part of core competency in terms of standardized testing, who knows how much wreckage quietly exists out there that's directly been caused by the way things are done now.

I happened to land on t3x.org recently (via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29702573, the root of which was very interesting) and found my way to https://www.t3x.org/bits/sensitivity.html. It's not much but it echoes the same ideas FWIW.

In any case, given your vet status, I wonder if you could wheedle your way into the side doors of some military medical audio labs and be a (heavily conditional) lab rat of some sort? Or go through the VA? (<existentially-scary voice> "embrace the bureaucrazy!")

((NB, That was a mistype above, which I immediately decided to keep. :D))

Maybe you could get an hour here or there in an anechoic chamber - which might actually be unpalatable given the stop-start non-continuous nature of the situation, but could work.

Or... what if... there's work out there, that generally requires absolute quiet? Like, beyond-library-quiet levels of quiet? Where everyone's in anechoic chambers for the majority of the day...?

I wonder if there's a way for you to constantly (eg, twice a week (>:D)) go "hi, I'm still here" in the general direction of Fundamentally Broken, Inc™ in a way that optimizes for minimum attention span use?

> Anger: I never experience true quiet, so my baseline cortisol is elevated. I become easily angered. Yelling mostly. This raises my T and H. Any significant brain activity raises my T and H. I never finished uni nor accomplished much. My attention span was wrecked after I got this.

I have a 0.2% version of the same thing, I think (particularly with the yelling - I liken it to an abused dog howling desperately in pained terror, except it manifests as anger and seething... totally gets construed correctly every time, welp!!!). I'm kind of impressed you're still here considering that you're describing an infinite feedback loop of doom.

I get the impression this was caused by some sort of event that occurred when young... and then exacerbated by hearing loud sounds in the military...?

I can completely understand something like this wrecking attention span. Whenever I'm around a device (presumably resonating at some ultra-low/high frequency(s)) that I don't like (can't hear anything, but I still respond to Something™ like crazy - still figuring the details out), it's like my involuntary fight-flight response monopolizes the pathway(s) in my brain used for a) inner tranquility, sense of "I'm okay" and mental space and b) problem-solving and higher-order thinking. Completely blocks it, and if I try to shift the gears manually it just makes my brain flip out.

(I wonder if you can monitor cortisol continuously, like blood glucose level? Hmmm....)

> Tech: I detached a few years ago when I decided to drop out of life, prepare for suicide, and focus on shitposting 24/7 until death about the largely unattributed scumbag targeting incidents that I've accumulated over decades. Problem solving isn't on my radar any longer.

Idea. Stupid, unfair idea that will make you angry (if it's even possible at all - it probably is):

Replace suicide as Plan Z with having your auditory nerves severed instead.

You've probably already thought of this and debated it up and down a few hundred times. I won't argue with any of that, nor the fact that music is obviously important.

I'll instead make this point: suicide does not consider the long term by definition. It's always a reaction to a set of immediate-term potentials exceeding immediate-term tolerances. In a scenario where you discover "your price" (your maximum tolerance) and then take steps to respond to that, supposing some ideal set of circumstances in which whatever strategy you deploy is completely thwarted, it may be easier to revisit that place again and again, both because you've taken the step, but also theoretically because if you're taking the step it's because the potential to tolerance ratio has started trending beyond your maximum limit, and may continue to do so.

That absolute-immediate-term snap point hasn't been reached, yet, by virtue of the fact that you're still here. I'm guessing whatever technique you've thought of is not only peaceful but also reasonably contingent and redundant enough that it would be highly unlikely to be thwarted in practice. Which is why I'm making the argument that you swap `rm -rf --no-preserve-root /` for `rm -rfv /dev/snd/`.

I read an article a while back... I think it was written by a military pilot or similar role; talking about how one of the purposes of training is not just to get "how to do X" into rote/procedural memory but also to encode "in scenario X I will make decision Y" to the procedural memory in the mind, by consciously committing to the decision during training. All the what-ifs get thought through, all the questions get asked, and if there are any questions or uncertainties left in the field it's a chaotic situation and hopefully you brought your wits, or you didn't pay attention in training.

So here, I'm basically saying, if you reach the point where you're like "that's enough", for "that's enough" values of "that's enough", if you were to commit (now) to this alternative, you'll have no identity left, but you'll still have your life.

The question is whether that scenario is worth living to you. You ultimately have no control over your life (see also, my points about suicide in my last comment), but you have absolute control over your identity (as much as society seems to be absolutely obsessed with convincing us otherwise??).

This is mostly a classical debate crossed with a thought experiment. I am very interested to hear your responses/counterarguments.

> Muffs: Sure, I can wear muffs and plugs for short jobs. I'd be ok. But I'd prefer no exposure because it took decades for the T to subside, and only a few months of playing a musical instrument (with muffs and plugs) to make it worse again. That was about 3-4 yrs ago; T still worse than it was 5 years ago. Any exposure is risky.

I see. :(

Wow.

Yeah this doesn't have any great solutions. Not really much point beating about the bush and dodging saying that.

It's an oddball suggestion (feel free to yeet it), but I'm curious if you've ever tried fish oil for any reason. Bear with me :) - the sole reason I mention it is that, I actually had a Really Bad™ reaction to some tech a few years ago, which exacerbated my own sensitivity to the point where I basically had a sustained baseline tolerance of zero (go near computer = Bar Fight Mode, I'd constantly pick fights due to internally sustained aggravation), and I was equally sensitive a year later to how sensitive I was a week afterward. Completely coincidentally I happened to trial a different brand of fish oil for my autism (Nordic Naturals), and while I observed I felt fractionally sharper after switching and regarded the trial a success, it wasn't until I tried a random gadget and... didn't fall apart... and... continued to not fall apart... that I realized that it was actually A Big Deal. I'm unfortunately still selectively sensitive to certain things (which I'm trying to work on), but the fish oil seemed to make some things click into place that apparently just needed a bit of a shove, and gave me some baseline viability. Which is the caveat emptor: I'm very bullish about alternative therapy (although it's what I use the most), moreso than drug-based therapy, because the alternative approach is more about gently nudging individual components this way or that (within the natural extent of their bounds) and seeing if there's any improvement rather than deploying green-field turnkey "engine go brrrrr" solutions that basically file any side effects under "deal with later". So the question is whether your circumstances and context would benefit from the same thing - and it's a good question.

> Societal issues: Zero Trust, applied to technocratic incumbents means breaking up big tech, banning data hoarding and data brokering, banning cameras everywhere, policing satellites - a futile pipe dream, indeed. The risks of power asymmetry via tech will only rise. I am not optimistic at all about the future of democracy. Asymmetric power hoarding opportunities will probably increase significantly over the next 50 years - a scary prospect.

I've seen a couple threads on here talking about kids learning programming, with stymied comments wondering just how some 19 year old or 15 year old or 8 year old can figure out where on earth to start with the profusion of opportunities and languages and environments and libraries and frameworks and distractions and conflict... given that this generation is supposed to be suffering from a silent epidemic of ADHD and autism, don't we presumably need less complexity than existed in the 80s, not more? How on earth is this coding thing supposed to work out?

It's fascinating that those comments seem to orbit around ideas of doing things like starting kids out learning QBasic or Turbo Pascal (as the comment authors did), as though that's an irreplaceably necessary first step to being able to grasp the complexity of everything else.

Perhaps this represents a scenario where someone hasn't fully internalized/normalized the fundamentals of programming, and they're still special-casing everything around an untenably-narrow bottleneck of oversimplification.

But I wonder if the same sorts of trip-ups and biases that can lead to (in this case) perceptual pathologies, can apply near-universally to perception of society as a whole.

There seems to be a noteworthy cognitive bias for certain inputs to slot into certain interpretative models. I'm not sure how much of this is nature/genetic and how much is nurture/indoctrination (see also, toddler's picture books with model towns where everything in the right spot), but there's always seems to be "here are the peasants" and "there's the ruling power over there" and "(the peasants are all dying of this that and the other)" "(the ruling power has no idea (because the peasants are too many abstraction levels below them))". I'm hesitant to interpret the Stanford Prison Experiment as accurately representative, but it is nonetheless interesting that people have such divided opinions about it - it's obviously touching a nerve somewhere, so we're obviously sensitive to this sort of stuff.

A little while back while discovering chaos/group/game theory etc I summarized my newfound understanding as the question "what's the difference between cause and effect and network effects?". Realizing the mathematical void of empathy in emergent events has actually been really liberating.

So, winding back to society and technology, I 100% agree with you that the amount of untapped, un-recognized societal potential (denoting unexpended energy) is higher than it has ever been, and that the entropy pool has both a wider range and more coiled-up immediate momentum than ever before. Cue rollercoaster ride much. Things are going to get pretty crazy in the short to medium term in some interesting and challenging new ways.

But I maintain an optimistic perspective that I'll personally ultimately be okay, by recognizing there is nothing I can individually do to improve the societal situation as a whole in certain areas. (It's like supermarket reusable bags, or "energy-saving" lightbulbs, or whatever - doesn't remotely steer the Titanic away from the iceberg even a fraction of a degree, but it gives everyone something shiny to do so we forget we're going to crash and stop squabbling (across the board - from confused posts on Facebook to equally confused motions at the UN). Achievement unlocked: Idiocracy)

And in recognizing there's materially nothing I can do, I just look at what's around me, and I (try to) survive. And I figure it out, in much the same way the latest generation of coders are figuring it out (with or without the help of the broken education system ;) hah!).

This reads like a bit more of a pat answer than I would like, I have an existentially sore throat atm and am not articulating at 100% efficiency. :/

I explain the above to basically say, I hold the view that whoever's in power effectively got there by chance, by being in the right place at the right time. TL;DR, emergent alignment. That's it. This view is youd-better-believe-it a bunch of self-indoctrination :D that (for me at least) really seems to help shatter the perspective that my circumstances are some sort of immovable situation I fundamentally can't change without going through route X Y and Z. I can; I just solve for making my moral compass happy and achieving whatever I need. It's basically the definition of hacking: taking a bunch of threads everyone kind of looks at in an ingrained way, and going "okay let's use this this way", and then making something new that doesn't have any definitions or reference points for people to latch on to and say "but that won't work!". They say rules are meant to be broken... but nobody forgets to add the context that it's not the correctness of the rules that is meant to be broken, but that the rules say things have to be done certain ways :D

(NB. I'm very happy to keep talking, here or elsewhere - if the thread locks my email's in my profile.)


Thanks for your detailed and thoughtful response and kind offer. Clarification: I am a civilian, not a vet.

Nothing has changed here. I am still as suicidal and cynical as ever. While I am very likely to chicken out and not complete suicide at this time, it truly is my only remaining goal in life -- not specifically to die by suicide, but rather to be dead as soon as possible.

Thank you again for your very well-thought out reply w/ insightful comments.


Fuck Christmas etc. I never had friends, all my life I was locked by classmates. Today I live alone with my parents. I never am messaged, smsed, emailed, phoned. I have no friends. The only people I see are at gym and at work. I have only one 06 at gym that I could see after gym by eating in restaurant but it's difficult for me to make friends at gym... At work it's a bit better but no friends too. Moreover I'm ugly and girls don't crush me on tinder so I am virgin. I tried gay sex because girls don't want me.


In the spirit of the season —- I hope things go better for you as time goes on. Many of us were isolated or lonely when we were younger, and the last couple years haven’t been easy for anyone. It sounds like you’re doing lots of things right — working a job, going to the gym, and trying to date — these are good and worthwhile things! The process of growing up and obtaining social acceptance can be a long haul and you may wish to look into therapy for some specifically tailored advice and a sympathetic ear.


This isn't to be dismissive of your feelings but consider finding a therapist, it sounds like there's a lot you're dealing with right now and having someone to nudge you in the right direction can help.


Hey man, first off Merry Christmas. It sounds tough and covid can't have helped. Can I suggest, in the new year, going on something like meetup.com and trying to get to a social thing once a week? Maybe a board game night, maybe some 5-a-side football, maybe a book club... whatever it is, getting out the house and meeting more people could really help - especially after months and months of weirdness and isolation.

Someone else suggested therapy - don't shy away from that if it's something you think you could benefit from, mens mental health is something we can proudly talk openly about nowadays and is as important to manage as physical health. Venting to someone in person could really help.

Hope things turn around in the new year :)


I don't know you, but I honestly wish you the best.

Start small. Who is paying attention to you, at all? Give them some kindness. It will grow.


I could continue yelling I'm ugly and describing my face. I'm ugly and atypical.


But you're still trying, and deep down you want to keep trying. So listen to that, even though it feels stupid because it isn't working.


Moreover after work I can see no-one to play with me




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