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As someone who actually worked at Amazon for a few long years, I'm always skeptical of such seemingly positive news, and often think "hmm, could this be another marketing trick to influence people's perception of Amazon rather than actually changing anything", and %90 of the time I'm right :)

Here's how their typical financial offer is structured for new software engineers:

1st year: signing bonus + relocation bonus + 5% of stock grant

2nd year: signing bonus + 15% stock grant

3rd year: 40% stock grant

4th year: 40% stock grant

If you quit within the first year, you have to give the relocation and signing bonus back. That's much much more than $1k. So there's a strong financial incentive / golden handcuffs to keep you there for at least 1-2 years, even if you are unhappy!

After the 2nd year, the financial incentive of staying is still there in form of the large stock grant (which has grown due to their stock price rising) that you've been promised and waiting on for a long time.

I can see someone rationally and happily taking the incentive after the third or fourth years and quit (i.e. after they've done damage to the work environment as an unhappy/unmotivated employee, and no longer have to give a fortune back to the company)... but before then, I doubt it'll change the behavior of any currently employed, overworked, over-paged, under-paid, under-appreciated software engineers.

Who this policy might affect though is future hires, and their perception of Amazon. People who have a choice between offers from MS and Amazon for example. They might consider this an interesting policy and assume that it would have improved employee morale at Amazon even though it's common knowledge that Amazon has terrible work life balance, etc.

I should also note that the Zappos policy makes a lot of sense to me, but this is very different from that, as is the employee culture of Zappos from Amazon.



Note that this offer is for fulfillment center employees, not software engineers.


Thank you for clarifying this, it was a source of confusion for me as well.

Not to sound elitist, but what is $5k to a software engineer making 120k/year regardless of the cost of living in Seattle.

This makes more sense.


$5k is still a lot of money for somebody making $120k/year


It's no where near as much money as it is to the people who are actually getting the offer. It's like 2 weeks pay for an engineer and 2 months pay for a warehouse worker.


A single semimonthly paycheck.


Amazon pays $95k for new grads. SDE3 is around $120k.


Maybe for base salary, but Amazon is mostly stock (or bonus if you are new) heavy in comp...


Thanks for clarifying this.




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