It's approximately equal to a 7870 (the PS3 variant), which is anything but "weak". Indeed, it's what's in my play PC, and plays any current game with ease. As to AMD generally, well they have by far the leading compute cards, and hold their own in the high end, so certainly not "meh".
Well the performance on 1080p games has been less than stellar so far, compared to my gaming PC. Laughable, even, since my PC graphics card is already almost 2 years old. These consoles are really a joke, and they are making money on the hardware this time around, that tells you how cheap they are.
The games at launch are always notoriously not representative of the full capabilities of the console. Compare any game from the launch of the previous generation to games that are being released now. There is a huge difference.
Also, I'd like to see your source for the statement that they are making money. I'm sure they aren't as huge loss leaders as they were in the past, but I'd be surprised to know if they are making money on them. If Microsoft could cut the MSRP, they would have.
I totally agree...this time around Sony and Microsoft really were under inventory constraints to launch for the holiday season....
If Microsoft could have, I think they would've offered their subsidized consoles (like they did the 360), and launch with Halo as their premiere title....
(this will probably get a lot of hate) then again Playstation actually decided to play video games this time and xbox one is trying to be a super Roku.
> Also, I'd like to see your source for the statement that they are making money
This was clearly mentioned by Sony before the launch of the console. As for the Xboxone, Microsoft also mentioned that if someone buys one game with the system, they are already making a profit overall. They are NOT selling their systems cheap compared to the previous generations, in terms of what's inside the box. I'll have to find the quotes, but I'm sure you can find them as well if you have 5 minutes.
> Compare any game from the launch of the previous generation to games that are being released now. There is a huge difference.
My point is that when the Xbox 360 came out, for example, the games running on it at launch were very impressive versus what the PCs could do at the time. In this generation, watching the launch games on PS4 and Xboxone just feels MEH at best. They are way too late in the game vs the power they are packing in.
> The games at launch are always notoriously not representative of the full capabilities of the console
Sorry but let me call BS on this one. We're not talking about PS3 kind of hardware here, where the architecture was unknown and new and developers had to learn a lot. The PS4 and Xboxone are using basically PC hardware under the hood, and the learning curve should be close to zero for most developers involved.
Thats a bold claim. Care to name what you are using in your gaming PC ? Two years old i would guess a HD6870 or equivalent, thats about half the performance of the PS4/XB1 GPU which is on the 7870/R9 270X/660Ti level. Add an 8 core CPU and 8GB of extremely fast DDR5 to the mix and i highly doubt Sony/MS are making any profit on the hardware right now.
ANd that's just a third party evaluation, I have no doubt Sony gets way better hardware price deals when ordering millions of parts through their purchasing contracts, so of course they are making some kind of profit on each PS4 sold. They actually want to avoid what put them in the red with the PS3 sales.
> IHS iSuppli, having totted up the parts costs, has come up with a total of $372, with an estimated $9 labor cost bringing it to $381 – $18 below the recommended retail price.
So retail price is 399, out of which retailers make how much? 199 ? Tell me again how Sony is making a profit.
I don't feel any console can really compare to a custom built gaming PC...for a while I was hosting my website and ffmpeg compression server on my gaming rig.
In regards to the latest consoles, I have a ps4...and while most "anticipated," games are still on preorder, I don't think it's fair yet to call the hardware a joke, I don't feel the studios have taken full advantage of the hardware.....now the games offerings right now....yeah I agree, but I think the studios really compiled their games (at least the ones I play :: COD: Ghosts, and Battlefield 4) for previous gen consoles.
I am interested to see how the new halo plays though...just can't get past the fact that the xbox one requires kinect to be...ummm, connected to play.
The language that you're using (weak, joke, etc) gives the impression that you aren't really evaluating from a rational perspective, but instead have chosen a side.
Why? What's the point of doing that?
Though it is an interesting segue from this article about AMD supporting ARM chips (one of the biggest problems facing data centers is power density and with that heat removal) -- the PS4 has a total power consumption of 137W. That's the eight cores, GPU, 8GB of DDR5, blu-ray player...the entirety of the box consumes 137W.
The nvidia GTX770, undoubtedly a higher performance card, not only costs almost as much as a PS4, alone it consumes significantly more power than the PS4. That's excluding the rest of the box around it. That just isn't tenable for a living room gaming machine, which is exactly why consoles represent a necessary compromise. Similarly, several of the most interesting Steam boxes have GPUs significantly less powerful than the PS4's 7870, because you just can't drop a 450W device in the living room and call it a day.
> The nvidia GTX770, undoubtedly a higher performance card, not only costs almost as much as a PS4, alone it consumes significantly more power than the PS4.
I don't care if it costs more. It's available. Hardware better than the PS4 in consoles is NOT. That's the whole point. If I want to have better hardware than the PS4, I'll have to wait another 10 years for another console cycle to come. No way. In 2 years time the PS4 and XBoxone will be extremely weak even compared with low-end PC gaming rigs.
And you bet I'll want a high performing card (no matter what it costs) when the VR headsets come around (whether Occulus Rift or Valve).
> Similarly, several of the most interesting Steam boxes have GPUs significantly less powerful than the PS4's 7870, because you just can't drop a 450W device in the living room and call it a day.
Then these makers are missing the point. It will be more interesting to build your own Steam Machine then, and install SteamOS on it if no one is willing to put power in the living room. PC market is not console market.
