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All but two of these things have ceased to be a problem for many years. Gasoline cars of today are extremely reliable and generally very quiet. The primary source of wear is road abuse on the chassis, given you keep up on oil, and any engine requires lubrication. The primary source of noise on the freeway is wind and road noise.

Many of the other issues with gasoline- smell, toxicity, stability- have been largely addressed by the distribution infrastructure.

Oh, by the way, gasoline isn't all that toxic. It is more hazardous for its volatility rather than any poisonous properties for humans.

Last thought- one of the two things that are still an obstacle (performance at extreme altitude) is firstly always going to be an obstacle for any type of combustion engine and secondly addressable with a turbocharger if you care enough.



I'm sorry, but your view on "extremely reliable and incredibly quiet" is idiotic. Gasoline cars are extremely reliable and incredibly quiet compared to OLDER GASOLINE CARS! Compared to Afghanistan, Iraq is an incredibly safe and quiet country to visit, but for some reason, I'm not planning a trip there anytime soon. Gasoline doesn't even come close to winning internal combusion category. Diesel blows it away in reliability.

Gasoline vehicles have gone from being absolute pains in the ass to maintain (I've worked on and rehabbed many an old vehicle, including mid 80's Oldsmobiles, 70's era air cooled VWs, and mid to late 90's GM vehicles) to significantly less pains in the ass, but still finicky creatures. 4 or 5 years in on modern ICE vehicles, you're going to start seeing problems that can often be expensive. If its not the electrical, it will be failed pump on the cooling system, or even a cracked impeller (now that they are made of plastic).

Can you prevent this all with regular maintenance? Of course, but let's not pretend like this isn't much more complicated than it needs to be. An electric vehicle isn't going to have tubes, pumps, fans, impellers, thermostats, spark plugs, valves,cylinders, ignition coils, injectors, oxygen sensors!!! ($10 part with several hours of labor to replace), catalytic converters... and my god how many other expensive, prone to breaking moving parts can I name.

And then you are sitting there talking about turbochargers? Really?? Do you have any idea what kind of maintenance is required, and oh wait, now we can up our octane to 93, pay out the ass for gasoline, and deal with all the extra wear an tear high compression turbo engines deal with......


but your view ... is idiotic

Thanks, glad to see we have a stage of mutual respect established.

Gasoline doesn't even come close to winning internal combusion category. Diesel blows it away in reliability

Ah, I see, only the most reliable thing can be considered reliable? More importantly, gasoline engines can be designed like diesels. We have direct injection for gas engines. We have low-rpm torquey gasoline engines (see the slant-6). A key reason diesel engines tend to be more reliable is because diesel engines are often used in applications that demand reliability, while gasoline engines are often used in applications that are willing to sacrifice some reliability for extra performance. Which, mind you, is not something electric vehicles will be immune from.

If its not the electrical, it will be failed pump on the cooling system

And I suppose you think electric vehicles don't have liquid cooling and heating systems? Cute.

Why exactly would an ELECTRIC VEHICLE be less prone to electrical failure, anyway?

talking about turbochargers ... do you have any idea what kind of maintenance is required...

No, I have no idea. In fact, I've never even heard of turbochargers before, I'm not sure why I said that word!

Turbochargers are a trade-off to handle a deficiency. Electric cars make trade-offs too, as they are not perfect either; their deficiencies are simply different.

high compression turbo engines

Who said anything about that?


Re turbochargers: For a sufficiently high fuel price, compression becomes a necessity. Atmospheric engines have more or less disappeared (100% for diesel since about 10 years) from the lineup of European manufacturers for example.


From personal and anecdotal experience, ultra modern diesel engines are pretty sensitive little beasts.

I still prefer Diesels for my own transport.


Just in case someone thinks drinking gasoline is OK to ingest after reading your comment:

"Inhaling or swallowing large amounts of gasoline can cause death." http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxfaqs/tf.asp?id=467&tid=83


Inhaling or swallowing large amounts of water can also cause death. :)


I challenge you to drink a glass of gasoline.


Anything for meaningless internet points! ;)


How long do I have to keep it down? ;)


1s should be long enough.


I find it amazing how when you throw out exploding millenia old dead plants in a box suddenly your motor and power train are about as complex as a RC matchbox car. Sure, replacing batteries is absurdly expensive, but that really is it. If you can just get the cost of the battery replacements down, you don't have to worry about belts or mufflers or the gear shift breaking due to complex machinery going on the fritz.


I'm sympathetic to electric vehicles, but they don't escape the problem of complexity. There's still power steering, brakes, gearboxes, differentials, a/c, and a million other things that can go wrong - little of which has the 100+ years of engineering development that ICE vehicles have.

I'm not saying don't buy one, but don't expect electric vehicles to be as reliable as ICE vehicles for at least another decade. Maybe two or three.


My Prius (which is almost guaranteed the worst of both worlds as it's both gas and electric) has had a stellar maintenance record - and I'm a very lazy oil changer and neglectful owner.

Electric vehicles using software "clutches" are to ICE-powered cars as SSD is to HDDs - at first, there will be downsides and only the adventurous will get to showboat, but in several generations the only reason you don't get an electric car (SSD) is if you really need the range (storage space using our analogy) or can't afford the upgrade.




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