> I wonder how they use these feeds if that's only internal.
Perhaps they don't, it could be that the interface was written to a more flexible spec to allow for ongoing changes, and close to release they decided which features would be officially supported. In that case the method being used here is either deliberately kept around for potential future use, or is a bit of their tech debt.
It may also be something that is internally supported still because it is used in legacy apps that are still out there (some smart TVs have ancient apps and no upgrade path) but they don't want it used by new code as it will eventuality be removed.
In any of those cases, there is no guarantee it'll still be there tomorrow.
Fair point. TBH from Google I might trust a now-unofficial (or always-was-unofficial) API kept alive by some big legacy contract a little more than an actively published & encouraged one, unless the latter is also similarly protected!
(a little bit of self-promo but) If anyone is looking for an RSS reader that splits out shorts from videos automatically, I made my open source reader Serial in part for exactly this
Point taken, but - I think it's a good way to start a micropayment culture. It's like putting numbers up on houses - they're just cheap digits but all of a sudden people can receive mail. Actually, YT micropayments would be like having a PO box.
"money making ads" I'm surprised they haven't made their own coin to go with that. Perhaps a new coin should be part of that micropayment culture. Look what happened with Binance coin because so many people were using the site already and they could roll one out.
In reality, they could have made so much money from Gmail account recovery too. All of Google's shelved projects - maybe all they need is an efficient micropayment system to slap on whatever they put out - Google Reader included.
Only for a while, then we want tips when the fun wears off. Imagine Google Reader was still going because the maintainers got the most micropayment tips, and thus the best raises/promotions, while also having the most fun at work. What do you think?
Google Reader was shut for the same reason many things was shut by Google. However, once a piece of software works and is fully featured which Reader was, you don't need endless updates, just security and to work with the latest version of an OS which isn't a significant time lose.
Raises and promotions should never be correlated to busiest staff member.
> When visiting a YouTube channel, there's no link to follow it in a feed reader, no "add feed" button, nothing.
Youtube does actually provide a <link> to these feeds, but _only_ if you press refresh in your browser after navigating to a channel's videos page. Their single-page-app breaks feeds and hitting refresh works around this by loading the correct page from scratch.
(To address the second point in this text: yes having an actual visible feed link or icon on the page itself should also be normalised)
> Access to feeds from this network are restricted due to continued abuse of the service, which brings down the performance of feeds for everyone else. You'll need to use a verification token or use a different network to restore access
Ahh, good to know that my regular ISP got banned for something I have no clue about. Can't even read the blog.
Same here but I'm using a ssh based proxy to avoid having my local ISP data mine my web traffic. Definitely not going to turn it off either to read a blog.
I really wish admins banned based on actual behavior instead of IP address != residential/mobile.
I get that sort of stuff quite a lot - its because my workplace uses a proxy to connect to the intranet, and traffic routed by that proxy is often blocked (zscaler)
Huge, huge numbers of machines behind a single external IP mean that your internet access carries all their reputation by proxy. Since switching off Comcast to a smaller fiber company that uses CGNAT I've seen somewhat more Cloudflare challenges.
FYI you can just write a quick script to replace that with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIDEO_ID and it works, at least on a desktop firefox browser with an adblocker on it. Weirdly, it seems to explicitly not work in Discord?
Discord has special handling for certain websites' embeds, including YouTube. Maybe because they already have to pull other video information by ID, they determine whether to use the shorts player based on YouTube's API rather than the URL used.
For real. There has to be an RSS fan high up in the company, because RSS allows users to bypass the very thing YT are pushing so hard for i.e. recommendations and shorts.
My pet project is showing Youtube feeds nicely, along with other rss feeds, twitter feeds and searches and telegram channels. I've been working on it for the past year, still in beta, but I'd love to get feedbacks: https://aggly.com
Quite interesting, seems like something I would find useful.
However, is there documentation or even an "About" page anywhere? Some info on which sites are supported and how to add them, as well as user limits? At least on mobile (which seems surprisingly nice, from what I can see), I don't see it.
I do like the overall design and the customizability.
EDIT: I found some info in the miniscule "Terms of Use" link at the bottom of the page when I clicked on the link to create a new account:
https://aggly.com/terms
And then I guessed at the url for pricing information by typing in aggly.com/pricing, which redirected me to:
https://aggly.com/account
(I don't know how to get there from the home page, though)
I haven't found info on what "API access" is good for, though. Is there a description?
Also, would there be any way to integrate paid SubStack subscriptions? (I admittedly haven't looked into this much)
EDIT 2: also, is there an option for a more compact view of a feed, with just the titles and no images? Also, is there a way to filter a feed (or a whole bunch of feeds) by date range? Otherwise, I can see it becoming pretty hard to find something older, eventually, having to click "load more" over and over again...
Looks nice, maybe it lacks some categories. For example I was looking for cycling (both as sport and outdoor activity), bikepacking and chess but there doesn't seem to be anything related
This has been a big issue for me. I currently use RSS exclusively to view the YouTube channels that I'm subscribed to -- currently about 75 channels (and 27 nebula channels) -- and over half of my YouTube feeds are filled with several shorts (sometimes multiple ones by the same creator per day).
Looking for hashtags in the title and marking those videos as read is essentially muscle memory at this point.
I see people are doing scripts or other things to remove shorts from their feeds, but there is a simpler solution. Take your RSS URL of a channel, e.g.:
I went to see a video I'd uploaded to Youtube a while ago and it's now a short. I have no idea how it became a youtube short. Either I grandpa'd it or they upgrade all vertical form video to shorts.
They have been “upgrading” old videos to shorts for more than a year. As far as I know it once started with videos with a runtime of at most 30 seconds.
At some point that was increased to 3 minutes.
I think they do this to square and portrait videos, maybe the check is as simple as “height >= width and duration <= 3 minutes”?
For myself, I've curated my recommendation algorithm down to the point that I don't mind the shorts I get recommended, they're generally from content creators I like anyhow, or content creators that use shorts as their primary medium in ways I'm generally OK with, but the UI is trash. For some reason, I can cast normal videos to my Roku, but if I try to cast a short, it cancels casting, quite explicitly with a popup saying "hey this is going to cancel casting, are you sure?". But the Roku YouTube app is perfectly capable of navigating to a short in the UI and playing it.
And no matter how much I curate the algorithm, the thing that it wants to play next in the Shorts UI is effectively random to me. Not once have I ever seen one that is even a decent recommendation. Maybe I'm hitting some weird edge case because I'm having the opposite problem some people report; Shorts aren't horrifically addictive and I can't stop scrolling, I can't start. The recommendations in my feed are OK but the "next short" is uniformly terrible for me.
That's why I try to prune them down a bit.
I keep up the fight because as a recent article noticed, YouTube is still a unique video service with an astonishing amount of high-quality content from small creators, fascinating math videos, how-to videos, etc. I'm more-or-less winning the fight with the algorithm at the moment and it still often turns up interesting things. But it is a constant fight to keep it from becoming a lowest-common-denominator feed. Goodness help you if someone links you a YouTube video of a cat being stupid or anything political, get that watch out of your History before you forget.
As someone who's been working on an RSS reader for primarily YouTube content (https://serial.tube), it's 99% content quality and content duplication. I did hear of one specific person who does actually watch them, but that was specifically for artists who only post their progress updates over shorts.
The solution I came up with was being able to sort/filter on all content/just videos/just shorts on a per view (folder) basis, so you can opt into them but they are omitted by default. Curious what other people's approaches are
I try to stay far away from shorts in general- YouTube plays them at maximum volume on my desktop and they suck attention , I feel like they're actively harmful.
Though for content that i follow, Almost every one of these shorts end up just being a snippet of a video they already posted, usually being used as a glorified ad for that existing video. It's just a waste of time.
Unfortunately, navigating to this page seems to display:
> Too many requests are being made from an unsupported application. This unfortunately degrades the experience and makes feeds slow for everyone else. Please try back later.
My first page load just now responded “Sorry / We seem to be having some technical difficulties. Hang tight...” (unknown status code). Second eventually returned 502 Gateway Timeout. Third gave 429 with the message you describe. Fourth eventually gave the actual page.
Apparently, this guy doesn't get that RSS is a problem to Google, that they already tried to kill. Of course the neglect is by design. The only reason they keep RSS going is that there is a return on it and it does bring in users - such as me.
I subscribe to feeds by just copying the human-readable url (right-click on the channel's title). When I embed the videos from these channels only the long videos are embedded, the shorts are not (has to do with a different url for shorts). So no problems here.
I do have a problem with old videos getting presented as new videos. Videos from weeks ago get a publication date of two days ago. Sometimes I just don't know - based on a thumbnail - if I've already seen the video.
As someone who's been working on an RSS reader primarily for YouTube off and on for the last year or two (https://serial.tube), the feed vanishing has been the bane of my existence – so many moments of wondering "oh god what did I break now" only to realize it's YouTube yet again
I've been having some success by configuring my RSS reader with simple rules, like "please don't tell me about shorts" and "I don't care if this person is live right now." Too bad the real homepage shows three enormous thumbnails and pretty much exclusively the things I want to not see.
I got lucky: the only creator doing that used a consistent name for the video, so I could pattern match on that. I haven't found anything that would work universally.
At a company I was working for, we need to offer live stream detection to push notifications and keep a banner in app. One of the methods to detect was through the RSS channel feed, but it wasn't reliable, because some channels are listing their entries and others are not!
How about YouTube RSS feed, where description contains summary from video in text format? Imagine how much time could be saved because TL;DW. Of course, Google would never do such a thing.
I have a bone to pick with the edited title this was submitted under.
The article’s title is “YouTube, your feeds are broken”. The word “RSS” was added to the submission title. That’s factually incorrect: YouTube feeds are Atom, and have been since at least 2009. Even if they have from early days even to this day had a terrible habit of incorrectly labelling the <link rel="alternate"> tags with type="application/rss+xml" and title="RSS" or similar.
(I hate RSS. Awful thing, should have died more than twenty years ago. For all domains outside outside the benighted world of podcasting where Apple ruined things, Atom is the strictly better choice, and has been for full twenty years.)
I think that battle is lost. RSS is already terminology the internet is slowly forgetting, being pedantic and insisting some RSS feeds should actually be called Atom feeds will only accelerate that.
They’re feeds. That’s an adequate term and the best one to use. Adding RSS may gain familiarity, but it also loses accuracy. There was no good reason to alter the title.
If I saw a headline saying "YouTube, your feeds are broken", I would think the post is about YouTube's algorithmic feeds. Search for "youtube feed", and you'll see that all the results are about that.
Atom fanatics are the vegans of feed enjoyers. For most people RSS refers to both the concept the and particular encoding used and does not imply that both are referenced.
Btw, XHTML also lost to HTML for the same reason - what matters is that stuff works, not that pedants are happy.
Neither miniFlux nor NewsBlur have any issues discovering YouTube feeds based on the channel URL, with multiple feed formats provided (RSS, Atom, JSON, etc).
I think their site got hugged to death. It worked for me at first but not anymore. Now I get:
> Too many requests are being made, which brings down the performance of feeds for other users. Please wait a while before requesting more feed content or log in for full access
It's been pretty obvious for a long time that Youtube doesn't want you to have an objective view of anything. It wants you to trust in the Algorithm to spoonfeed you content. Even the subscription page now displays some arbitrary shit first. I'm absolutely sick of it.
My feed reader works by running once a day, at roughly the same time every day, and sending me an email of all of the things it's not seen before. Because of this I've not actually been able to get any output from the Youtube feeds for months because they always seem to be going down at about the same time of day. I didn't realise it was "only" intermittent.
Stuff I like, I often store, or make notes of. I don't personally use RSS for it, but perhaps I should make a kebman's curated YouTube RSS feed? It'll be kinda AI heavy tho...
RSS feeds broken, player broken, buffering broken, idiotic ads if you don't uBlock Origin the hell out of it ... I think the only thing they didn't yet ruin-bloat is content, because that's created by other people, but those people are also producing tons of trash and AI generated crap, so content is also broken. It is up to the visitor to filter out trash and find the few good contents amidst all the rubble. If today a competitor managed to gain significant amount of quality content and the ability to also deliver that content, YouTube would pretty soon be out of business, I think.
As a YouTube app user, these complaints are also part of the core app experience. Notifications often never land, especially if you're _trying to_ follow someone's live streams. Even if you're a mod... (Sometimes appearing hours after the live or even the next day or never.)
It'll even randomly drop subscriptions. Forcing the user to resubscribe.
> if we add a feed to specifically follow the channel's full-length, higher quality video content, that's what we want to see. Shorts are the opposite of that. They're impulse content, designed for infinite scroll, not for a feed reader
I'm officially asking for it.
On the channels I'm subscribing to, nothing is wrong with the shorts except the UI covering up part of the video. They're not lower quality, and while you could call a lot of them "impulsive", a lot of longer videos are also impulsive!
I feel like I live in an alternate world to most people because shorts seem resoundingly Fine to me. They have some advantages and disadvantages but overall it's on par with the rest of the site. Not some weird addictive slop feed.
I agree, it's a nonsensical complaint. It's a feed of the channels videos and some of those videos are short. If you don't like their content, why are you subscribed?
> In case you haven't caught on yet, some of us will just never be interested in being manipulated by those brain-rotting, never-ending homepage feeds you love shoving in our faces the moment we log in.
Quite. I always feel if platforms were used based on merit, if monopolies didn't exist (and Google does prop Youtube up with its own funds) then companies would HAVE to listen to people. Degrees of incompetence would be punished by firing. But we don't live in that world
I'm actually quite baffled they even still have RSS. I use it, but I expect it to quietly die at some point.
I wonder if they keep it around because, without it, someone would be make and even less efficient means of getting at the information. What I'd really prefer is an email when a followed channel post a full video (Shorts can go to hell). And that email should forever and always be only that, never for anything else. Wouldn't even mind if it was just a "Premium" feature.
When Youtube removed email notifications I had to build a RSS->email tool, I don't send mails for videos that have no duration (livestreams) and videos <1min.
while we're complaining about this platform that desperately needs (but will never find) competition, it's fucked up that we can't access Watch History and Watch Later playlists via the api.
Now I just use the like button which triggers an IFTTT applet to send a webhook to my server which downloads the video. (Sadly IFTTT has no "when you add to a playlist" trigger.)
Well hi there chatgpt! I wonder if the person who couldn't be bothered writing this article actually had a point they wanted to make? I don't know because I stopped reading as soon as I recognised your fingerprint.
>When visiting a YouTube channel, there's no link to follow it in a feed reader, no "add feed" button, nothing.
There is literally a bell which you can set it so all videos get sent to your notification feed.
>But when that mission starts bleeding into the feeds of users who don't want it, it becomes a big problem.
Most people love shorts. It had extremely fast growth and continues to get a ton of engagement. Not wanting to see shorts is a small minority. It is disingenuous to pretend that no one wanted shorts when engagement is though the roof with the product.
I have a MiniFlux instance running on my Raspberry Pi, pulling from my 367 subscribed channels. It beats having to go through the "Subscripitons" page every day on the horrible YouTube UI, instead I can just go through the list in the feed, mark the uninteresting ones as read, keep the good videos in the feed and whenever I have time I can pick from those to watch.
I also have some feeds tagged as "music", for which I have a cronjob that calls yt-dlp to download the songs/mixes, nicely stashing the M4A files on a NAS, so I can keep up with new music, going through new releases at my own pace, keeping the good ones, deleting the shit ones.
If you ever had favorited songs deleted from YouTube, you will understand why this all makes sense.
Take your RSS URL of a channel, e.g.:
https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=UCxSGC9B...
Replace the `channel_id` with `playlist_id` and replace `UC` with `UULF`. This prefix will only list normal videos:
https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?playlist_id=UULFxSG...
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