Do you think I just gave isolated examples? I gave actual news articles because you would make up stuff and say its not real. These are part of a large trend. Its funny how providing actual hard facts, reported in Israeli media itself, gets me accused of being biased.
Palestine is a fun example. Why limit your looking back to such a short period. Let us rewind a few more decades. Israel itself is the product of violent terrorism and displacement. Israeli's are such nice people they bombed a hotel with innocent British and Arab people and then a future prime minister was from the very terrorist organization. Israel has been belligerent and violent from the very start.
> Do you think I just gave isolated examples? I gave actual news articles because you would make up stuff and say its not real. These are part of a large trend.
You're not being coherent here. What exactly is your point? Yes, you did give an isolated example. How exactly would I make stuff up and say it's not real? If IDF soldiers shooting children unprovoked is part of a large trend, surely this would be documented and reported somewhere?
> providing actual hard facts
Again, where are your hard facts that Israeli's shooting children is a large trend? You merely claiming it doesn't make it a hard fact.
The Palestinians crossed into Israel on Oct 7th, killed and raped music festival attendees, shot families in their homes and kidnapped and hid them in secret tunnels. None of these victims were remotely militant; not even lifting a rock at their murderers. They were living their lives and were viciously attacked. These are hard facts.
> Israeli's are such nice people they bombed a hotel with innocent British and Arab people
The King David hotel bombing was done by the paramilitary group Irgun. After Israel attained statehood, it outlawed the Irgun group, declaring it a terrorist organization. The World Zionist Congress also condemned Irgun's violence. Sorry, your example not only fails prove your point, it does the opposite.
As I said you beautifully ignored who started the conflict, it hardly began on Oct 7. The prime minister literally came out of irgun the terrorist group. Its a known fact.
I just gave one example, you can easily search and see how IDF loves killing children.
And what kind of trend do you need for showing the nature of a peoples who literally cheer and celebrate a rapist being freed from jail?
> As I said you beautifully ignored who started the conflict, it hardly began on Oct 7
In 1947, the UN passed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine. It called for a two state solution, one for the Arabs and one for Israel. Britain supported it, the Jewish Agency supported it. Everyone supported it with the exception of, you guessed it, the Arabs. The Jewish were willing to compromise. Arabs, nope.
Immediately after the Partition Plan was adopted by the UN, the 1948 Palestine War started. Guess who attacked first and started it? You guessed it, the Arabs.
> The prime minister literally came out of irgun the terrorist group. Its a known fact.
Sorry, you're getting your facts wrong again. In this list of members of Irgun, do a ctrl-f on Netanyahu and see what you get. That's right, nothing.
> And you don't need to ask me, just listen to the direct words of Bibi, Bezalel Smotrich and other Israeli government representatives how they want "Greater Israel" and wish for expansionism.
"From the river to the sea, Palestine must be free" - Palestinian chant
In a survey conducted by the Arab World for Research and Development 74.7% Palestinians agreed that they support a single Palestinian state "from the river to the sea", while only 5.4% of respondents supported a "one-state for two peoples" solution. 3 out 4 Palestinians supported the Oct 7 massacre of Israelis
Who is expansionist now?
When you have a group who's ideological goal has always been to exterminate the Jewish people and Israel, Israel must defend itself.
>When you have a group who's ideological goal has always been to exterminate the Jewish people and Israel, Israel must defend itself.
The locals didn't particularly give a shit about israel or jews until European jews began forcibly displacing them en masse. Jews lived there for centuries, sometimes treated better sometimes worse than Christians in Europe treated them.
> European jews began forcibly displacing them en masse
You'll need to support your claims with evidence or else they are just worthless.
The fact is Arabs were not willing compromise on a two state solution that Jewish Agency agreed to. (Balfour Declaration and the UN Partition Plan for Palestine).
The fact is currently, the majority of Palestinians want Israel exterminated. They still will not compromise with a two state solution. They just want to murder more Israelis.
Why would anyone want to compromise against foreigners who illegally took over their lands? Its very simple, show me where the grandparents etc upto 3-4 generations ago of Israelis lived. And if they weren't in the geographical Israel did they come here peacefully or as a British project and later forcing the Brits to give up even more to these ingrates?
> The King David Hotel bombing wasn't started by arabs, it occurred much before the 48 date you have given. Its clear who started shit.
So you're saying since it was the Irgun that bombed the Hotel, it's the Jews who started the Arab Israeli conflict.
Dude, get your facts straight. The 1946 Hotel bombing was against the British, not the Arabs. British administrative headquarters were housed in the Hotel and that was who the Irgun was targeting.
The Battle of Tel Hai (March 1920): Often cited as the first military confrontation between Arab and Jewish forces. It involved a clash between a Palestinian Arab militia and Jewish defenders of the Tel Hai settlement. It started when a Shiite Arab militia and local Bedouin, led by Kamal al-Hussein, entered the Jewish settlement of Tel Hai.
The 1920 Nebi Musa Riots: In April 1920, Arab residents attacked Jews in the Old City of Jerusalem during a religious procession.
The 1921 Jaffa Riots: This started as a scuffle between two different Jewish groups. Arab onlookers mistook it as an attack against Arabs and started attacking Jews.
"Dozens of British, Arab, and Jewish witnesses all reported that Arab men bearing clubs, knives, swords, and some pistols broke into Jewish buildings and murdered their inhabitants, while women followed to loot. They attacked Jewish pedestrians and destroyed Jewish homes and stores. They beat and killed Jews in their homes, including children, and in some cases split open the victims' skulls."
The 1929 Hebron Massacre: Prompted by rumors that Jews intended to seize the Al-Aqsa Mosque, Arab mobs killed 67 Jews in Hebron.
And again, you cherry pick some far right people and project them on to all of Israel. And you totally ignore the fact that early on the Jews were willing to compromise with a two state solution, but the Arabs were not willing. Today, 75% of Palestinians support the murder, rape and kidnapping of festival attendees, families and children. That plainly shows what kind of people they are and why Israel needs to defend itself.
Why not, I cite these far right figures because these far right figures were instrumental in the creation of your country, and are still revered by many including officially.
The Irgun was targeting many things, they were of course ingrates who hated the Brits that had gifted their own colonial land to these frauds for free, but they were also conducting terroristic operations against arabs. It's all very simple really, Israel was doing tactics that were morally acceptable in the 1800s but had fallen out of fashion by mid 19th century. It's vety simple, just answer this. Where are the upto 3 to 4 previous generations of most current Israelis from. Are they from the Levant or are they from Europe? And if Europe, did they migrate peacefully to an existing country or take over lands someone else was living in?
Happy to say the 6.6% of those who can show legal documentation of a valid purchase should stay unharmed (as long as they aren't military combatants of course). 6.6% is not of course and quite far from 100%.
Where are the rest? The ones who don't have legal papers of purchase and whose immediate ancestors 2 to 3 generations back are in Europe? How do you think they managed to squat on land that isn't theirs, where they never lived in, and where they didn't have any legal deeds of sale?
>Today, 75% of Palestinians support the murder, rape and kidnapping of festival attendees, families and children. That plainly shows what kind of people they are and why Israel needs to defend itself.
That's a theory, israelis cheering snd celebrating the release of rapsists is well documented fact.
No. So far you've just supplied an article about some bad IDF reservists who beat a Palestinian prisoner. If they did that, they should be punished. But the article says the trial couldn't continue because the alleged victim was released to Gaza and therefore could not stand trial against the accused.
You haven't shown me any evidence to your assertion that Israeli's cheer for rapist, not even close.
But we do know 75% of Palestinians support the murder, rape and kidnapping of young people enjoying a music festival and the killing of children with their families in their homes. So any sane government must take steps so it doesn't happen again.
Where does anywhere in that article say Palestinians support rape? It says they feel justified Hamas attacked Israel which naturally makes sense, a country has a right to repel invaders and occupiers militarily.
Why did Israel punish the official who exposed the rape instead of the rapists btw? Why was Yifat Tomer-Yerushalmi arrested? Why were Israelis loudly protesting and demanding the release of the rapists? You falsely claimed Palestinians support rape and cited an article that mentions nothing of rape and you repeatedly excuse Israeli civilians and politicans mass movement and protest to release actual rapists and then cheers as the rapists were released. You are a liar.
>Among the reasons listed by the IDF for canceling the charges are “complexity regarding the existing evidence”; the release of the detainee back to Gaza in the October 2025 ceasefire; “the conduct of senior officials in the Military Advocate General’s (MAG) Corps and in the IDF’s law enforcement system in this case, and its exceptional and unprecedented circumstances” — an apparent reference to former MAG Maj. Gen. Yifat Tomer-Yerushalmi, who leaked a surveillance video to Channel 12 news while the indictments were being prepared; and “procedural difficulties” regarding the transfer of investigative materials from a police investigation, “in a manner that harms the defendants’ right to a fair trial.”
So all of these are bs reasons. Let me just paste a modified version of the text and ask how you feel:
>Among the reasons listed by the Palestinian military for canceling the charges are “complexity regarding the existing evidence”; the release of the detainee [a young israeli boy] back to Israel in the October 2025 ceasefire; “the conduct of senior officials in the Military Advocate General’s (MAG) Corps and in the Hamas’s law enforcement system in this case, and its exceptional and unprecedented circumstances” — an apparent reference to former MAG Maj. Gen. Omar Mansour, who leaked a surveillance video to Channel 12 news while the indictments were being prepared; and “procedural difficulties” regarding the transfer of investigative materials from a police investigation, “in a manner that harms the defendants’ right to a fair trial.”
Why not? You said Irgun was declared a terrorist organization. If that is true why shouldn't you country honor the officer who killed several terrorists?
>So you're saying since it was the Irgun that bombed the Hotel, it's the Jews who started the Arab Israeli conflict.
Hamas killed a few Israelis, that was perfectly fine reasoning for starting a genocidal military campaign against Palestine as a whole so I am not sure why that argument is a problem for you. Iran hasn't even directly attacked Israel the first shot, and they got invaded. So I don't see a problem if Irgun were a jewish milita, to say israel/jews started it.
I said few not as a number but to mean (srael has no problems with genociding an entire population just for a few attackers so why should for example Israel have a problem with others doing the same to it?
The problem with your logic (or lack thereof) is Hamas attacked first and Israel responded. And if Israel really wanted to "genocide" the Palestinians, they could have easily bombed the whole place to hell. But they didn't. They warned civilians beforehand and directed them to southern areas where they wouldn't be bombed.
I said few not as anumber but to mean (srael has no problems with genociding an entire population just for a few attackers so why should for example Israel have a problem with others doing the same to it?
> So I don't see a problem if Irgun were a jewish milita, to say israel/jews started it.
Because the Irgun attack on the Hotel was an attack against Britain, not the Arabs. So you are saying Jews started the war against the Arabs by attacking Britain. How is that even close to being logical?
And since you so conveniently ignored my citations on instances of Arab attacks against Israel that were well before this Hotel incident (happened in 1946) that you like repeatedly cite as the proof of "who started this shit", I'll list them again.
The Battle of Tel Hai (March 1920): Often cited as the first military confrontation between Arab and Jewish forces. It involved a clash between a Palestinian Arab militia and Jewish defenders of the Tel Hai settlement. It started when a Shiite Arab militia and local Bedouin, led by Kamal al-Hussein, entered the Jewish settlement of Tel Hai.
The 1920 Nebi Musa Riots: In April 1920, Arab residents attacked Jews in the Old City of Jerusalem during a religious procession.
The 1921 Jaffa Riots: This started as a scuffle between two different Jewish groups. Arab onlookers mistook it as an attack against Arabs and started attacking Jews.
"Dozens of British, Arab, and Jewish witnesses all reported that Arab men bearing clubs, knives, swords, and some pistols broke into Jewish buildings and murdered their inhabitants, while women followed to loot. They attacked Jewish pedestrians and destroyed Jewish homes and stores. They beat and killed Jews in their homes, including children, and in some cases split open the victims' skulls."
Yes and why were these ingrates committing terrorist attacks against the very country that gifted its own lands to them? What does it say about Israels founders character?
You said Irgun were declared terrorists so I find it strange that the Israel doesn't seem to have ant plaques or monuments to a great British hero who eliminated 5 terrorists.
Jews other than those native to the area shouldn't have been there in the first place, so they in fact started shit by terrorizing and forcibly replacing peoples already living there. They are such insane ingrates they bombed and terrorized the very country who granted them land for free. Israelis love hating on Arabs who are the real semites instead of their own racial brothers who genocided them in Europe and then cry "antisemitism" and "blood libel" at anything and everything. The Israeli government quite blatantly interferes in elections in Western countries and supports far right even some white nationalist parties. They'd gladly support people close to actual nazis and will hate actual semitic peoples.
Do you consider the current Israeli government far right? What do Israelis think of Bibi? Beacause you said I cited some fsr.right figures and projected thrm onto the entirety of Israel. If so enough Israelis are "far right" that they voted for one such figure.
To show I am mot being racist, I am happy to use the same standards for the USA and Trump.
Whether the government is far right or not depends on who you ask. However you want to label Israel, it has a right to defend itself against people who want to invade Israeli territory and kill, rape and kidnap its citizens.
You are changing my words. That was a response to you saying
>And again, you cherry pick some far right people and project them on to all of Israel. And you totally ignore the fact that early on the Jews were willing to compromise with a two state solution, but the Arabs were not willing. Today, 75% of Palestinians support the murder, rape and kidnapping of festival attendees, families and children. That plainly shows what kind of people they are and why Israel needs to defend itself.
If these are so called far right and voted in to the government, then why should we treat Lebensraum as an exceptional opinion instead of a sentiment shared by the majority of your country?
Palestine didn't invade Israel. They are repelling the foreign invaders. How can a people already living there invade an outsider? Milekowski is not a Levantine name. Israelis can either learn to live like human beings in peace. Or fuck off back to the european countries or wherever else they came from, other than those who can prove legal paperwork showing ownership. I don't care about race or religion. You could be Brazilian christian or Inodnesian Muslim or Chinese buddhist or anyone else, if you have legal deeds, very well. Otherwise learn to live like men. But if you want to fight and kill then expect to be treated like the violent invaders you are.
Palestine is a fun example. Why limit your looking back to such a short period. Let us rewind a few more decades. Israel itself is the product of violent terrorism and displacement. Israeli's are such nice people they bombed a hotel with innocent British and Arab people and then a future prime minister was from the very terrorist organization. Israel has been belligerent and violent from the very start.