I don't like this engineers vs. finance people / MBA divide that I see parroted a lot on HN. And obviously, it's parroted by engineers.

Like, all engineers are saints and the other side are all sinners. What crap. Get real, guys. There are all kinds of multicolored and multidimensional people.

Having been on all 3 or 4 or 5 of these sides :) (dev, sysadm, manager, consultant, ...), I have seen that.

Grow up, folks, and enjoy life in all its richness.

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Yeah but Zuck has always been a nasty piece of work. He wasn't "just young" and "grew up" when he wrote those IMs. See: (to list just one) the constant copying of Snapchat

He copied Snapchat and then Tiktok -- which have been most likely immensely positive for the bottom line.

Speaking personally, Reels are just annoying (not that I admire TikTok either, aligned as it probably is with the CCP)

Snapchat features are blood money, they also result in less people using Snapchat

Nobody says Zuck doesn't earn a lot of money but a lot of it is likely fraudulent and he's just not a very good person

Last phrase is understatement of the century.

He's a POS, that's also why POSSE is good. ;)

Last phrase highlights what investors care about. I personally hate reels and tiktok -- they should've stopped at stories.

To me it just validates the history of Facebook

Did he/didn't he steal? Dunno, though there's a fair few bits of evidence in the various lawsuits (Winklevoss, Greenspan)

But if you didn't know about any of that you could make some inferences. Like his neverending "ooh, shiny new thing, want" (and then lie to people along the way, trick Indians into signing up for your internet.org thing)

I was willing to take his side on a few things because the political situation is genuinely unclear and the public has been misled but then right after he wrote the open letter to Jim Jordan about censorship coercion (which was a real problem, I want to see more tech companies talking about it) he does this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42651178

It's kind of like he has raw bits of intelligence but doesn't quite know how to piece it together and besides "his" inventions (even FB) are put together (largely?!) by other people

>But if you didn't know about any of that you could make some inferences. Like his neverending "ooh, shiny new thing, want" (and then lie to people along the way, trick Indians into signing up for your internet.org thing)

Yeah, that trying to trick Indians into that thing (IIRC, it was also called Free Basics or something like, to sound attractive, prolly) became a big issue in India at the time, I remember, although I didn't delve deep into the matter. I think a group of leading Indian freedom activists took on FB in the media and petitioned the government, and it resulted in the whole scheme collapsing.

Sarah Wynn Williams in her book talks about how it was her initiative to call it Free Basics because internet.org was false advertising

I meant last phrase, not last sentence, which is what you seem to have understood, going by your reply.

This is what I was referring to in my earlier comment: "he's just not a very good person".

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