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Unless you went on when you weren't really low because the men's vitality clinic pushed you into a treatment protocol*

* not me but I see it with men in my age range



I am a big fan of Dr Rohin Francis, and this landed on my youtube's front-page recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPsKTfFQFqc


I’m getting downvoted in another comment for saying this, but it’s a growing problem. In some surveys of TRT patients up to 1/4 of them didn’t even have their testosterone levels measured before being prescribed TRT. The men’s health clinics are finding excuses to diagnose everyone who calls. The lifetime value of a monthly TRT customer is very high.


> Unless you went on when you weren't really low because the men's vitality clinic pushed you into a treatment protocol

Saying that the men's vitality clinic "pushed you" into a treatment protocol is like saying that a fertility clinic pushed you into getting pregnant.

Sure, it's a common outcome, but you had an idea of what you wanted out of it before you walked in the door.


> Saying that the men's vitality clinic "pushed you" into a treatment protocol is like saying that a fertility clinic pushed you into getting pregnant.

No, it isn't. “Men’s vitality” doesn’t mean “getting pumped with testosterone regardless of indications” the way “fertility” means “getting pregnant” in either literal denotation of words or the understanding of the general population.

> Sure, it's a common outcome, but you had an idea of what you wanted out of it before you walked in the door.

Yes, but in the case of fertility clinics, getting pregnant aas definitely the outcome beinf sought. Being pumped with testosterone isn’t the outcome being sought from a men’s vitality clinic, it is (even for the people who are actively thinking about it) a mechanism (and not an appropriate one for every patient) for atteempting to acheive the desired outcome.

If you go to a fertility clinic and they don't attempt to identify the source of your fertility issues and just pump you with hormones not indicated for your specific issue, that would be wrong, too.


> No, it isn't. “Men’s vitality” doesn’t mean “getting pumped with testosterone regardless of indications”

When I Google "men's vitality clinic", the top result I see is titled "Your experts for testosterone replacement therapy...". TRT is front and center.

> Being pumped with testosterone isn’t the outcome being sought from a men’s vitality clinic, it is (even for the people who are actively thinking about it) a mechanism (and not an appropriate one for every patient) for atteempting to acheive the desired outcome.

This is such a weird distinction to try and make.

I frequently see ads for these services, and even when they're not so explicit as that one is about what they're selling, it's extremely clear what demographic they're going after and what the hook is.

Testosterone being a Schedule III substance, "men's vitality" is the way that they can legally advertise an service that prescribes AAS. It's no more of a secret that men's vitality clinics prescribe testosterone than it is that fertility clinics are prescribing estradiol. Both of these are sex hormones that induce a specific effect on the body which the patient is looking for.

Can I imagine someone walking into a men's vitality clinic and being surprised that they're getting offered testosterone? Sure, and there's also that German couple who went to a fertility clinic because they weren't having a baby, and were surprised to learn that they needed to start having sex.

Clueless people exist. That doesn't mean that it's not readily obvious to anyone who's paying attention what these clinics exist to do, and how they do it.




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