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I don't know what state it's in (haven't used it in years), but do apprenticealf's DeDRM tools, which has been forked to nodrm/DeDRM_tools, still handle kindle PC app downloads? Tinkering with old versions of the PC app might work even if the current version doesn't, and there's a registry hack to disable kfx downloading and get azw3 instead, which worked at some point... it's outlined in apprenticealf's DeDRM repo, at the wiki link provided at the top of the repo's README, in the short section saying it's no longer maintained.

That would provide a closer-to-original version of the ebook, rather than just a visually similar one.

That any of this is necessary at all is absurd. Hats off to anyone with the patience to bypass Amazon's DRM rather than giving up on the Amazon ebook ecosystem entirely.



The thing that killed the download -> crack DRM workflow is that Amazon removed the "download and transfer via USB" option. I haven't bought an ebook from Amazon since.

The only viable option would be to buy the book and then pirate a de-DRM'd copy.


Might as well send the author the money directly, instead of spending it all on publishers and middlemen that you’re specifically trying to avoid. When you do, include a note on how their chosen method of sale is most hostile to legitimate consumers and recommend some DRM-free book stores.


Here is a breakdown of how much money the author gets (from Fabien Sanglard):

https://fabiensanglard.net/gebbdoom/

When I upload the PDF on Amazon, a minimal price is automatically calculated. In the case of the DOOM, Amazon sets the minimal price at $51.35.

There is a slider which authors can use in order to add their "share" on top of Amazon price. I have added $3.88 which Amazon also takes a cut on. The result is $1.59 royalty and $0.77 profit per book sold.


The hell...


Isn't he talking about the print copy?


Print copy: 57% of the price

Amazon: 40% of the price

Author: 3% of the price (half of which goes to taxes)


He doesn't have to get 3%. He could raise the price so he gets more.

Color printed books are expensive, but I think he chose the premium color print option rather than the standard color print option. You can try it out: https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/royalty-calculator { pages: 432, dimensions: 7.5"x9.25" } Roughly $18 for basic color and $36 for premium color (which probably also means heavier, higher quality paper).

Amazon takes 40%. Barnes and Noble Press takes 45% for self-published books, and their printing costs are within a couple dollars. Compare to typical retailer+distributor costs of >50% while authors get <15%.

The economics of retail print publishing and logistics don't seem to work out at higher author royalty rates. Authors who don't want to give up 40% of list price always have the option to handle printing, shipping, and accounting themselves, selling on ebay or from their own website.


Why buy an ebook then? Just buy the physical if you want, and pirate it.

Dont pay for your own hope that you can pick the lock of your own paid for jail cell.


Then I have a physical book to deal with.


Just leave it laying around somewhere. It makes you look erudite.


Or like I have a hoarding problem.

In the old days, we used to cart boxes of books down to the used book store in exchange for credit, and then load back up with more reading to bring home.


I mostly meant that suggestion as a joke, but to be real I can't imagine reading so many books that you run out of room for enough bookshelves. I have several boxes of books and it's a huge pain when moving to a new apartment, but otherwise I just get more shelves when I need more. I don't think having a lot of full bookshelves would ever be perceived by others as a hoarder scenario if the apartment is kept clean and neat. But I do think that being seen to own many books will generally give people a better impression of you, so I was sort of serious with that joke.


>> to be real I can't imagine reading so many books that you run out of room for enough bookshelves

I don't have anywhere close to enough bookshelf space for the number of books I've read over the years.

I moved my book boxes many times before I gave up on most of them. Now I don't even have space to put them all out. 88 square meters for a family of four with toys etc. doesn't go very far.


https://help.archive.org/help/how-do-i-make-a-physical-donat...

https://apps.apple.com/app/id1668658774 can be used to verify if they require a physical copy.

(usps bound printed matter is usually least expensive when shipping books)


You might just give it to the public library.

Or, you might find the author online and see if they have some sort of donation mechanism set up. It's very common these days for a lot of professionals, but some authors are old school.


Donate it to a library so other people can know about it.


Giving the physical book away kinda defeats the spirit of buy + pirate.


You are still buying a copy, that I imagine is the practical effect you want.

You don't keep proof, though, and probably isn't allowed to keep a backup after you give the book away. But most countries laws don't care about any of this (and it's not a backup).


If you pirate then re-sell the book to a friend and they do the same, only one copy ever gets bought but everyone gets access forever.

Whereas of everyone buys new, keeps the book, and pirates, the author isn't going to see much negative impact.

Hanging on to the "proof" is important. Otherwise all you really prove is that you paid money to touch a physical copy.


The horror!


Many people live in small apartments. The footprint of a single physical book may be negligible but five hundred books can become a logistical nightmare.


That's what they said they would do. They would buy the physical book and then pirate an ebook copy that's been de-DRMed.


For those with an old Kindle, couldn't you download it onto the Kindle and then pull it off of there via USB?


That sounds simple, but wouldn't the ebook you "pulled off" the Kindle still be in Amazon's format with DRM? I don't think this solves the original problem.


The first problem was to get the original file from somewhere in a usable format, then strip DRM in a later stage. Seems like step 1 was already made significantly harder now.


I tried to do this recently but discovered that the DRM algorithm changed and I couldn't use the standard de-DRM tools.


Thanks for the info!


are you using a relatively new kindle?


Most of the books I read are from authors long dead (current one: Risk, Uncertainty, and Profit, by Frank H. Knight, highly recommended). They don't need the money.


It will handle downloads for older versions of the PC app, but the supported version won't download any books released after April 2025.


Apparently this method bypasses that issue:

https://techy-notes.com/blog/dedrm-v10-0-14-tutorial


That's Erm not that bad actually, can you please explain more, I just want to give more attention to this since it definitely caught my attention in this thread.


I pay for a tool called epubor that strips DRM from kindle, kobo, Adobe, etc and converts it epub. It works with the current version if the app. It gets updates when it stops working.

Feels jank to pay for the book AND pay to free it, but that's the world we live in.


Epubor is merely plagiarism. They take open-source code and sell it without crediting the author. You can have all the functionality for free.


I'm sure you're right, but I'm not sure I care. I mean obviously I would prefer they give credit where it's due, but even writing those tools in the first place is a felony in some countries. It's not like they're robbing someone of their livelihood and the value they add by putting Kobo, Kindle, Nook, and Adobe all in one place with a built-in format convertor is really high.


I just paid for it, downloaded the kindle app, and dragged the .awz8 file and it says it doesn't support the format!


I think you might be doing something wrong then? Maybe you have the wrong file? The Kindle For PC app should always give you azw files, not azw8 (even if it does use the newer format they're all just named azw).

It should show up in the epubor app on the Kindle tab after you install the kindle app and used it to download your books. No need to drag and drop from the file system it's all right there in the app. It finds Kindle, Kobo, etc and lists them.

EDIT - Make sure you leave the Kindle app running. I think it needs to be able to read the keys from memory or something.


Also Libation for Audible books.




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