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Its on you to chase this up. Given how this has impacted tourists from across the globe you can find a wide array of news sources from various different nations documenting the tyranny of modern day america.

That's why tourism is down, people wanna visit their friends in America, not spend weeks or months locked up without charge or due process cause some untrained ICE peon got a hard on.



I did not make any positive claim, so no, it's not on me to "chase this up". I did, however, look it up, and the only case of an unlawful deportation I could find is of domestic abuser Kilmar Abrego Garcia. And as far as I'm aware there has been 0 deportations of people who are citizens or held valid visas or green cards

Tourism being down proves nothing.


Becky Burke, detained for 19 days while, she was entirely capable and willing to leave the US, yet they locked her up. There's plenty of these stories from all over the world, you're just not looking. The Irish man only known as "Thomas" (as he requested anonymity) tore a muscle in his leg and the doctor told him not to travel, so he overstayed his visa by three days, got locked up for 100 days by ICE.

You're clearly not even trying or just searching infowars and then giving up. C'mon yo, I ain't here to spoonfeed.


Funny how when asked for illegal deportations you fail to mention 1 more than the one I mentioned, so clearly when you said "ICE deportations are often performed illegally" you clearly did not mean "ICE deportations are often performed illegally", as then you would be able to name at least one more case. If I could not find it, and you could not find it, then I don't think it happens often.


So you've got nothing to say about Becky or Thomas then.

By all means if you're happy that America is sliding into tyranny through aggressively utilising ICE then good for you, at least someone is enjoying it. I'm happy to retract my "because ICE deportations are often performed illegally" and downgrade it to "ICE detain people illegally" (as part of the process of deporting). Shit, I'll even downgrade it to "ICE are needlessly cruel when detaining suspects".

Is that ok with you? Are you content that the US is needlessly cruel when detaining suspects? That it deports people without trial based on a hell of a stretch of an interpretation of a law penned in 1798 that was designed for use in wartime? For me its the door opening to tyranny. If they can find excuses to deport people without trial and you find that reasonable, how might you feel if a future government found an excuse to deport _you_ without trial? Might you appreciate the problem with tyranny then? Is it only ok because its happening to other people?

The founding fathers were inspired by Thomas Paine one of his main works is The Rights of Man and the beliefs of _natural_ law. The idea that rights are not privileges that can be taken away on a whim, they are naturally existing, inherent and everyone gets them. That's the liberty our ancestors fought for.

A belief in cruelty and the stripping of rights of a particular underclass tends towards the idea of a stratified society which IMHO runs counter to the founding philosophies of the USA.




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