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> A big part of this is obviously (union) labor

I live in Wyoming. We don’t have many unions. The cost scourge is still there due to red tape and general fuckery.



You wrote this in a separate comment: "There is a well-documented cost premium to building in America that isn’t explained by complexity or wages."

I am fairly confident that Europe has a lot more red tape than Wyoming. Yet it's considerably cheaper to build large projects in Europe.


> Europe has a lot more red tape than Wyoming

In general that's true, but perhaps not when it comes to construction, especially for large public projects. In Europe, the goal of such projects appears to be to complete the project and have the thing that they're building. In the US, at least as of late, it seems like the goal is to pay various interest groups in money or patronage, and whether the thing gets built or not is only of a secondary significance.


How much capability do European governments have to perform/construct or closely monitor these projects?

I have a theory that in-house expertise is cheaper in the long run.


My university has an auto shop for this very reason - at a certain size, it makes more sense to care for your own fleet than it does to contract it out, even though the auto fleet peeps have approximately zero overlap with educational goals.


Correct. My point is this isn't caused by labour unions.


Red or blue, those who own property own the levers of power to determine what gets built.

I’ve yet to meet anyone who thinks utterly stifling construction restrictions are a good thing, yet they seem to exist everywhere.


Unions don't help but in most casese they are a tiny problem. The real question is which red tape is really there for good reason.


In the best case they certainly would help workers be able to afford the homes they built though. My friend was telling me today that his grandfather came out to California to work as a farm hand, and used that income to buy a home in the area. Imagine doing so now.


I really wish people would be more specific when they complain about "red tape." I think a lot of people just use red tape as a generalization that means "every government rule and formality that I don't like." Exactly which "red tape" is adding how much cost to projects? Arguers should enumerate them and explain why each cost is unnecessary.


That is a lot of work. It is easy to complain about 'red tape', but ever single line is there for a reason. So the real arguement is what isn't good enough to be worth the cost. I don't want a building to fall, but I also don't want inspectors to insists on additional bracing where the isn't even a stress point (which I have seen)




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