I don’t think it’s clear to anyone who is going to be the winner 5-10 years from now. Waymo is rolling out and it definitely is a way to solve the problem but it’s still not widely available in the US. I cannot use it to commute to work daily.
I have no idea who is going to win or what that strategy will be, vision only, lidar, combination etc. but it’s false to make claims like yours. I get it though it’s easy to take your hate for an individual in an extension to other adjacent discussions. I don’t like the guy either but not worth making up silly claims.
If you're goin to call my post silly and condescend to me personally (in another post you called me a liar despite me citing sources to back up my claims), please respond with something more substantive than "the future is unknowable".
“Tesla has been getting closer to FSD the same way climbing up a ladder gets you closer to the moon”
This is a silly claim that perpetuates your dislike of Musk. FSD has absolutely gotten no where close to his claims. I have no idea if vision only is the right path and Tesla probably does play too fast and loose but their FSD program has absolutely been making improvements in, especially in the past few years. How about you back up your claim instead of using hyperbole?
I'm not playing a victim card, you just didn't make an argument. What am I supposed to say about your feelings about my post? You want to make an argument? Fine. You want to just call my post silly? Well you've done that, I don't think I need to add anything more.
I stated my reasoning, the sensor stack in insufficient. The evidence is they've been trying at it for close to a decade now, and have had to continually move the goal posts, missing their self-proclaimed milestones, delaying their shipping dates by years, reneging on their promises and projections, and leaving a trail of death and destruction in their wake (and that's not hyperbole); whereas Waymo went with a better sensor stack (the one roboticists have been saying was the way to go), and is actually shipping a true full self-driving service, one that won't run off the road if you fall asleep.
So we already know what does work (orthogonal sensors like LIDAR+RADAR+Camera) and what doesn't work (Camera only). We learned this in 2007 at the DARPA Urban Challenge, and it's been affirmed by Tesla's continued track record of failure in 2025.
Have you been using the Tesla magic full self driving (before they redefined “full self driving” to a not-full, not-self driver assist tool?
It’s far more likely that you’ll be commuting in a Waymo someday.
Like some other tech moguls, you can’t separate the man from the company. The company lacks meaningful governance, so for good or ill it’s an expression of Elon’s hopes and desires. Facebook is similar, but Zuck is more calculated and rational. Elon is obviously a man in need of help who is degrading before us.
I have no idea who is going to win or what that strategy will be, vision only, lidar, combination etc. but it’s false to make claims like yours. I get it though it’s easy to take your hate for an individual in an extension to other adjacent discussions. I don’t like the guy either but not worth making up silly claims.