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> The basic definition of a state is “a centralized government with a monopoly on the legitimate use of force

I'm not saying otherwise (I've even referred to this in a later comment).

> But violence comes first, then statehood, then trust.

Nobody said anything about the historical process so you're not contradicting anyone.

> Attempts to legislate trust don’t really work

Quite the opposite, it works very, very well. Civil laws and jurisdiction on contracts have existed since the Roman Republic, and every society has some equivalent (you should read about how the Taliban could get back to power so quickly in big part because they kept doing civil justice in the rural afghan society even while the country was occupied by the US coalition).

You must have institutions to be sure than the other party is going to respect the contract, so that you don't have to trust them, you just need to trust that the state is going to enforce that contract (what they can do because they have the monopoly of violence and can just force the party violating the contract into submission).

With the monopoly of violence comes the responsibility to use your violence to enforce contracts, otherwise social structures are going to collapse (and someone else is going to take that job from you, and gone is your monopoly of violence)



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