"[Brand] Apologist" and "[Brand] Fanboy" are the kind of ridiculous, loaded terms which shouldn't appear anywhere on a site like HN. When people praise Apple it's not because they're fanboys. When people criticise Apple it's not because they hate everything Apple does with a passion.

EPEAT is outdated. Horribly outdated. By EPEAT's own admission.

Apple made a mistake by opting out of it rather than working with EPEAT to try to improve it. I think that's what they are doing now.

So you are saying that putting a laptop in a shredder after removing the toxic battery easily is an outdated recycling practice?

Apple fanatics have similar brain patterns to religious people. No amount of logic and reason will sway them. I recently had discussion with a bartender who was asking about my rubber case that was on my iphone. He didn't like it because it didn't have a cut out for the apple symbol to show through. I asked him why does it matter and he replied "i want people to know i use apple products because it represents who i am". Criticizing Apple would be the same as criticizing them in their minds.

Article on brain scans http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apple-causes-religiou...

> Apple fanatics have similar brain patterns to religious people.

Any fanatic does. Find someone passionate about Android, or model railroading, or knitting, and they'll show up the same way in a brain scan.

If you think Apple is unique in having over-the-top fans, that may be a sign that you're some sort of a fanatic yourself.

I've been a mac user since the mac plus came out. I'm typing this on a MBP, i have an MBAir for traveling, iphone, too many ipods, original ipad, and appletv. I like apple products. I just hate the recent crop of apple users aka brand hipsters. They've polluted the forums, user groups and mailing lists. You can't even have an intelligent debate about the product and apple's direction.

The same happens to virtually anything that becomes wildly popular. Hell, here on HN there are fairly frequent complaints about newer users.

I'm not disputing that there are folks who treat a brand choice as a religious issue. Not one bit. I'm disputing that it's somehow unique to Apple fans.

Lots of ways, but you'll only remember the one that fits your worldview.

And people who like to throw around the word "fanboy" said it was because Apple is contemptuous of everyone but themselves and don't care about the environment at all.

I wonder the same thing about them.

I make a distinction between Apple Fans & "Fanboys".

I have no problem with Apple Fans.

I dislike Fanboys whether they are for Google, Apple or Microsoft.

Uh huh. Except, it's funny how little one hears about those other brands of fanboy.