kaikai says "It’s wild what people will do in order to keep people from getting something they don’t “deserve,” even when it’s literal trash."
But you haven't "stood in the other man's shoes" and seen it from his/her perspective.
Businesses are strictly regulated. They are required by law to dispose of certain old/damaged/discarded foodstuff and are not allowed to sell it for human consumption. Likely a second company (and possibly a third, since storage and hauling may be done separately) was hired to store the food in a container and to haul the food away as trash. The company signed a contract stating so.
Now you
1. entered his property (trespassed),
2. entered a dumpster (a second trespass possibly of a second business),
3. removed goods (theft), and then
4. passed/sold them to others (violating untold food laws)
and then are surprised someone tries to stop you!
Worst of all, consider if, while dumpster diving, you hurt yourself or even died? The food business would be sued and his insurance company would likely pay. You would have nothing to say about the decision to sue: your insurers and/or medical providers would pursue litigation against the food vendor even were you to oppose their actions.
As you can see, in this interpretation there is no particular question of what one or another person "deserves". Rather it is a question of law, property rights and civic responsibility.
I have seen it from their perspective, I’m not an idiot. I’m fully capable of seeing and understanding another persons perspective, and disagreeing with it. I reject the idea that allowing people to go hungry when there is a EXCESS of food available is a morally correct choice.
Laws are rules created by people and we have the ability to change them. At the very least, we have the ability and moral responsibility to ignore them when they are unethical.
Also, I have never sold dumpstered food or given it to anyone who didn’t know it was dumpstered. I HAVE gotten injured dumpstering, and didn’t sue anyone for it. I DID get sick once from dumpstered food, and didn’t sue anyone for it (I’ve also gotten sick from eating at restaurants, and didn’t sue them, either).
For me, basic human rights and care for each other will always trump laws and property rights. And yes, I’ve done jail time for it and would do it again. I know that we won’t agree, and don’t need to change your mind. I do hope that you can understand the difference between knowing and understanding the rules, and blindly following the rules.
Well, at least you understand the rules and are willing to accept the consequences.
The reason they are enforced is because of game theory. There are plenty of things that are not a big deal if only one or two people do it. However, if large numbers of people do it then the system breaks down for everyone.
One hopes for some individual discretion at the margins, and the TJ's manager probably went overboard. However the morality is not so obvious when one has to consider higher order effects. (Though I also realize you would like the entire system to function differently anyway, which is a fair point as well).
kaikai says>"I do hope that you can understand the difference between knowing and understanding the rules, and blindly following the rules."<
You could have done either: known and understood the rules or blindly followed the rules. Either was acceptable but you did neither: you instead broke the rules. Your post is a sociopathic justification of criminal action.
Why are there so many people unemployed and unemployable who seem to seek a repeat of the French Revolution in all of it's blood-dripping anarchy? The music of Les Miserables (the musical) was good, but not that good!
But you haven't "stood in the other man's shoes" and seen it from his/her perspective.
Businesses are strictly regulated. They are required by law to dispose of certain old/damaged/discarded foodstuff and are not allowed to sell it for human consumption. Likely a second company (and possibly a third, since storage and hauling may be done separately) was hired to store the food in a container and to haul the food away as trash. The company signed a contract stating so.
Now you
1. entered his property (trespassed),
2. entered a dumpster (a second trespass possibly of a second business),
3. removed goods (theft), and then
4. passed/sold them to others (violating untold food laws)
and then are surprised someone tries to stop you!
Worst of all, consider if, while dumpster diving, you hurt yourself or even died? The food business would be sued and his insurance company would likely pay. You would have nothing to say about the decision to sue: your insurers and/or medical providers would pursue litigation against the food vendor even were you to oppose their actions.
As you can see, in this interpretation there is no particular question of what one or another person "deserves". Rather it is a question of law, property rights and civic responsibility.