Exactly. They interpreted the message backwards. Instead of:
1. This other empire/country invades countries (BAD). It would be weird for them to philosophize about “a philosophy for hard times”—that’s like a cold-blooded murderer trying to find a philosophy for the mental anguish that killing causes him, for those “hard times” (okay we’re two similes/metaphors down here maybe time to stop)
2. Likewise people shouldn’t be surprised and react with negativity[1] when someone points out that this empire/country does it (America)
Instead they seem to have interpreted in this backwards, roundabout way:
1. We’re talking about America and the military
2. The main topic is not even how the military kills people, btw (that’s just the backdrop)
3. Russia enters out of left-field: Hey America invades countries so therefore it’s okay that Russia did it!
Quite bizzare.
[1] When I replied that reply was downvoted and at the bottom of the thread
It cuts both ways in you. You read both things when one was written, for an internal reason. That’s an important distinction. Otherwise there would be no way to say one thing without implying another. Human speech can generate lots of collateral associations, but all of them live in the mind of a listener. “Assume good faith”.
A good writer predicts and suppresses associations in advance, but it’s not always feasible. The main issue itt is that skewed associations are its own topic.
In me and anyone else exposed to Russian propaganda, which is probably just about everyone.
But in this case it’s also the literal meaning. You can’t say (or imply) that A is just as bad as B without also saying that B is no worse than A. Call it the anti-symmetric property of partial orderings if that helps.
> But in this case it’s also the literal meaning. You can’t say (or imply) that A is just as bad as B without also saying that B is no worse than A.
Wrong on two counts.
1. These kinds of comparisons hone in on the thing the two things have in common. Invading places. This goes back to my “salient commonality” point. Which you rejected. But now you’re back to claiming that a comparison makes things equal. They don’t. They show that two things have two specific things in common.
2. “You’re saying both those things”, referring to my second thing “it’s okay that Russia did it!” (the wrong interpretation). Somehow you’ve gone from “these two things are just as bad” (covered by (1)) to “therefore Russia doing it is okay”. I still can’t make sense of that.
> Call it the anti-symmetric property of partial orderings if that helps.
Dressing it up in fancy language doesn’t make it true.
1. This other empire/country invades countries (BAD). It would be weird for them to philosophize about “a philosophy for hard times”—that’s like a cold-blooded murderer trying to find a philosophy for the mental anguish that killing causes him, for those “hard times” (okay we’re two similes/metaphors down here maybe time to stop)
2. Likewise people shouldn’t be surprised and react with negativity[1] when someone points out that this empire/country does it (America)
Instead they seem to have interpreted in this backwards, roundabout way:
1. We’re talking about America and the military
2. The main topic is not even how the military kills people, btw (that’s just the backdrop)
3. Russia enters out of left-field: Hey America invades countries so therefore it’s okay that Russia did it!
Quite bizzare.
[1] When I replied that reply was downvoted and at the bottom of the thread