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This is the sort of reaction I’d expect from someone having their phone taken away who really needs their phone taken away.


Not to diminish your fear of dogs, but that hardly seems like the core point to discuss about such a hugely consequential policy.


Many kids walk around on their own, and phone is absolutely essential communication tool.

School simply has no right to interfere here.


It is all to create a focused learning environment


Do you have personal experience with this or something? Seems like a rather specific fear.


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Do you have a source for this? Dog attacks being more common than car accidents seems extremely unlikely to me, given how prevalent car accidents are.

I really wouldn't expect a cellphone ban for students to result in a significant rise of delayed treatment for injuries caused specifically by dog attacks. Even if dogs attacking students is such a common occurrence that it warrants consideration in this proposal (which I doubt), it's still a school. Teachers and other staff are around. Just have them call emergency services in case of injuries.


Other commenter posted some data.

My point is that lighter attacks (scratches, jumping, sniffing, licking...) are so common, they can not even be reported.

If students have no cameras, many more teachers would bring their "pets" into school.


> lighter attacks (scratches, jumping, sniffing, licking...)

Sniffing and licking are not “attacks”. If they are, a car honking or braking suddenly is a crash.

> If students have no cameras, many more teachers would bring their "pets" into school

How many teachers brought pets to school before the 2000s? How many people brought pets to the office? (If anything, there are more pets at the workplace now than ever before.)

The taking of a cell phone seems to have emotionally provoked you. Reflecting on why you’re responding to a phone like a crack pipe might be a better use of your time than pretending to have a phobia of dog licks.


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> why my kid needs recorder, many abusers try to down play such attacks!

Have you ever had anyone in a position of authority do anything about a dog sniffing or licking your kid? Because if so, that’s national-news level hilarious.


Yes. There are existing leash laws. But it takes a lot of effort to get then enforced. And you need recording for proof!


> Dog attacks and bites are…way more common than car accidents

This is nonsense.

There are on “average 337,103 ED visits each year for dog bites,” with an “annual incidence” of “1.1 per 1,000” [1]. This makes them “the 13th most common injury,” exceeding “those occurring on motorcycles (14th), to pedestrians (15th) and firearm gunshot injuries (16th).” These result, however, in just 30 to 50 deaths per year [2].

Motor vehicles killed over 40 thousand Americans in 2021 and 2022 [3]. They are the fourth most common injury in EDs, and by far the more fatal one.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6431755/

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_Uni...

[3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_...


Perhaps consider "attack" as broadly defined or metaphorical, similar to "cell phone == crack pipe", which of course isn't nonsense either, or is it.


> consider "attack" as broadly defined

Still doesn’t work.

There are over 3x more motor vehicles in America than dogs [1][2]. There are more households with cars than dogs. Our interaction frequency with vehicles is much greater. The threshold for damage, given a vehicle’s power, is much less. For any measure of “attack,” the frequency and damage from cars will always exceed that from dogs.

It’s a stupid aside that doesn’t make any actual arguments about why taking cell phones from kids is bad.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/183505/number-of-vehicle...

[2] https://financesonline.com/number-of-dogs-in-the-us/

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Not every attack results in damage. And not every bite is an attack.

Maybe have a look at this (cyclist chased by dogs). None of this stuff gets reported. This guy has hours and hours of similar attacks. It is pretty common.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cpgXW5OpAUQ


> Our interaction frequency with vehicles is much greater.

Well I still wouldn't like to call it, because a dog will in many cases, perhaps the majority, escape the owner's control and run up to you and sniff you, which is very unusual for cars.


> It is way more common than car accidents!

It is not accurate when looking at the statistics!


I got a solution for you then. Any kid caught using their phone in school is expelled. We shall put personal responsibility and consequences as the primary objective. Does this solve your issue.


This is absurd! How would you feel if your workplace implemented such a rule?

Why don't you propose you just shoot them on the spot instead, that will teach them that actions have consequences and will scare them straight!


A workplace where coworkers weren’t fidgiting with their phones in every meeting? Slacking and texting non-stop?

Sounds like an absolute paradise.


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Are you alright? This reads like it was written by someone actively experiencing psychosis or a manic episode.


GGP here. This was my reaction as well, though I fully admit to projecting my own experiences. I relate to this style of discourse...

Anyways, I wanted to note that I appreciated seeing this comment. Folks tend to have a hard time empathizing with this sort of thing.


Sorry I was feeding into his manic episode. I do see the point he’s making but it’s flawed. It’s similar to the gun debate.


I am quite alright, thanks.

Just want dog owners to take some responsibility.


Wherever this is, sounds like the kids should just carry guns instead.


An assault rifle, a sidearm, at least two grenades and full body armour.


"Many schools", is this a problem in Greenwich? If not, your concern isn't applicable.



Off leash running the halls and attacking kids though? Show the dog attacks in Greenwich schools if you want to be taken seriously.




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