> Your 20 minutes of cooking and cleaning is a larger luxury than you seem to acknowledge.
What the fuck. I live in a developed country. Even the poorest most-overworked person I've ever met is perfectly able to find 20 minutes to cook. In fact said overworked people would have to, since that's the cheapest way to feed a family. What sort of unicorns are we talking about here.
> It's also not in line with your previous comments about the kinds of food you're buying. Noodles and eggs and a store bought soup base is not nutritious or particularly satisfying.
> [..] Mostly because of the protein and fat that is difficult to get in non fresh foods.
I don't really follow. The stuff I buy gets me all the nutrients I'd need in a day, as well as >30g of protein (a lot of it from Handkäse, which is ~30% protein, contains near zero fat and carbs, and is dirt cheap).
My selection of foods isn't random. Lacking nutrients or too much of the wrong thing makes you feel awful, and I hate feeling that way. Additionally most of what I buy will stay safe to eat for weeks, weeks, or even years. All that really goes bad quickly is fruit, veggies, or milk/yoghurt (depends). If you are physically unable to keep these three things stocked, you are not living in a developed country or require assisted living.
Also I really only cook maybe once a week. I just happen to enjoy the good old bread with cheeses and sliced meats well enough. If I really want a warm meal, I'll eat at a restaurant (10-20 bucks), but that's a luxury that is not a requirement to completing my diet at all.
> And of course the crushing burden of poverty just sucks.
A bit tangential at this point, but if you're paying $1k/month for Ozempic you are not feeling "the crushing burden of poverty".
> Look into food deserts if you're genuinely interested
I'm intellectually aware they exist, but they still bewilder me. If these things are really a problem for more than 1% of the population, then in my head I will downgrade the country in question from "developed" to "mostly developed" and exclude them from any argument talking about developed countries. Millions of people can't get the nutrients they need and their country is struggling to correct that. Maybe the World Food Program should help out? Get some foreign aid shipments? I'm joking of course, but clearly Ozempic isn't the answer here either.
In any case, let's limit the discussion to areas that can actually be considered developed, because clearly most people in overall developed countries don't live in food deserts and their obesity cannot be explained that way either. Bringing this up as a defense is like defending thieves as a whole because some of them have only stolen food while on the brink of starvation or their name may even be Robin Hood. What about the rest of them?
What the fuck. I live in a developed country. Even the poorest most-overworked person I've ever met is perfectly able to find 20 minutes to cook. In fact said overworked people would have to, since that's the cheapest way to feed a family. What sort of unicorns are we talking about here.
> It's also not in line with your previous comments about the kinds of food you're buying. Noodles and eggs and a store bought soup base is not nutritious or particularly satisfying.
> [..] Mostly because of the protein and fat that is difficult to get in non fresh foods.
I don't really follow. The stuff I buy gets me all the nutrients I'd need in a day, as well as >30g of protein (a lot of it from Handkäse, which is ~30% protein, contains near zero fat and carbs, and is dirt cheap).
My selection of foods isn't random. Lacking nutrients or too much of the wrong thing makes you feel awful, and I hate feeling that way. Additionally most of what I buy will stay safe to eat for weeks, weeks, or even years. All that really goes bad quickly is fruit, veggies, or milk/yoghurt (depends). If you are physically unable to keep these three things stocked, you are not living in a developed country or require assisted living.
Also I really only cook maybe once a week. I just happen to enjoy the good old bread with cheeses and sliced meats well enough. If I really want a warm meal, I'll eat at a restaurant (10-20 bucks), but that's a luxury that is not a requirement to completing my diet at all.
> And of course the crushing burden of poverty just sucks.
A bit tangential at this point, but if you're paying $1k/month for Ozempic you are not feeling "the crushing burden of poverty".
> Look into food deserts if you're genuinely interested
I'm intellectually aware they exist, but they still bewilder me. If these things are really a problem for more than 1% of the population, then in my head I will downgrade the country in question from "developed" to "mostly developed" and exclude them from any argument talking about developed countries. Millions of people can't get the nutrients they need and their country is struggling to correct that. Maybe the World Food Program should help out? Get some foreign aid shipments? I'm joking of course, but clearly Ozempic isn't the answer here either.
In any case, let's limit the discussion to areas that can actually be considered developed, because clearly most people in overall developed countries don't live in food deserts and their obesity cannot be explained that way either. Bringing this up as a defense is like defending thieves as a whole because some of them have only stolen food while on the brink of starvation or their name may even be Robin Hood. What about the rest of them?