Well in my case, it turns out the benefits of adderall are extremely helpful. I can’t imagine I’m the only one who at 39 years old still had never tried adderall and also struggled with weight loss, who finds the combination of effects beneficial. Meanwhile when I consider ozempic myself instead, I’d get the weight loss but not the focus benefit I’ve sorely needed.
I am really not the type to seek a “weight loss drug” so I don’t know the state of mind of those who do (big fan of the Maintenance Phase podcast!), it just seems to me if people want focus and weight loss at the same time they might want to consider it.
I see some “it’s an amphetamine” like that means it’s obviously bad. But I guess we all know that “glucagon-like peptide-1 receptor agonists” are totally fine, sure. I think I would posit that amphetamines are more well understood, but I’m no expert.
Certainly I could have realized it would lead to weight loss, I just never really thought of it that way. I can’t be the only one, and I am simply surprised it’s not a part of the broader conversation.
> Certainly I could have realized it would lead to weight loss, I just never really thought of it that way. I can’t be the only one, and I am simply surprised it’s not a part of the broader conversation.
Here's the thing... Unless you (err, uhm) need an amphetamine, they really have nasty side effects and can lead to serious health problems.
IE, in the 1960s and 1970s they were used for weight loss, and they were pulled from the market for good reason. You can go do the digging needed to find out why, but the cliff notes reason is that amphetamines increase risk of heart attack, and for many people cause amphetamine psychosis when used for extended periods of time.
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> the problem with adderall is you build a tolerance, which means its efficacy drops to zero, and with it also the side effects (appetite suppression).
This doesn't have to happen. Many people (including me) happily stay on the same dose for years.
Most common fix is take magnesium supplements (threonate is best, oxide worst), but in general Adderall/Vyvanse effects are unusually sensitive to your diet.
I mean you're just talking about treating two different conditions. It should not be confusing at all that the optimal drug for each is different.
People have used amphetamines and other stimulants for weight loss pretty much forever. The reason responsible medical professionals don't prescribe them for such (anymore) is because the risk/reward profile is bad. That doesn't mean it's bad if you need the stimulant -- that changes at least the reward side of the risk/reward tradeoff, so it's totally reasonable to come to a different determination.
The addiction potential for most amphetamines is through the roof and the side effect profiles are fairly intense and mostly negative for a lot of people.
Yes, we do know that amphetamines are bad for weight loss and we know that GLP-1is are good for weight loss. This isn't because amphetamine bad, GLP-1i good, but because we've done clinical trials and determined this to be true.
I am really not the type to seek a “weight loss drug” so I don’t know the state of mind of those who do (big fan of the Maintenance Phase podcast!), it just seems to me if people want focus and weight loss at the same time they might want to consider it.
I see some “it’s an amphetamine” like that means it’s obviously bad. But I guess we all know that “glucagon-like peptide-1 receptor agonists” are totally fine, sure. I think I would posit that amphetamines are more well understood, but I’m no expert.
Certainly I could have realized it would lead to weight loss, I just never really thought of it that way. I can’t be the only one, and I am simply surprised it’s not a part of the broader conversation.