If the answer is to throw up our hands and say that nothing can be done, then I'll just drive instead, because there are no beggars in my car, I don't let them in.

What I'm saying is that public transport is a reflection of the local society. You can accept it, work to improve it, or hide from it in your private vehicle.

Here in London, hardly a quaint and sleepy village, everyone uses public transport, including beggars and hoodlums as you put it, and it's fine.

> including beggars and hoodlums as you put it, and it's fine.

Nope in a waymo I don’t have to smell piss snell, get begged at, have a crackhead grab my girlfriend’s hair, have another crackhead leer at my female friend, have another crackhead catcall my female friend, etc etc etc

We simply disagree that public transport (or society in general) has to accept everyone regardless of how badly they behave.

It has nothing to do with "sectors of society".

If you want me on the bus, kick off the dickheads. Making driving worse will not get me on the bus however much you attempt to manipulate me emotionally.

I'd also drive more if roads weren't full of "dickheads" and impaired drivers. You have exactly the same kind of issues while driving.

I don't understand your double standard, you should apply the same rules for driving and public transits.

Comparing someone cutting you off while driving to someone with their hand down their pants or smoking meth in front of you is like comparing an apple to an elephant. Surprisingly, from my own experiences, you grow numb to it all before long and just continue about your day.

Not every individual, obviously, I meant all sectors of society, as you probably knew but chose to ignore in favour of a snipe

As my interlocutor has changed his message repeatedly, this no longer makes sense.

I'm pretty sure if they tried in Japan, the guards would remove them.

> If 'undesirables' are part of your local area, then they'll be on the public transport. The clue is in the name.

Their examples of undesirables are about behaviors, not sectors of society.

Since we're using Japan as an example, Japan does have very strict social rules on public behavior that probably help in this area.

Bangkok has the most expensive public transit line relative to local incomes (BTS skytrain), and yet I saw nobody jump the turnstile there