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Medical science is about the only thing in modern life that consistently delivers hope. While all the other terrible things are going on, something like this comes along and I’m just extremely happy to be alive right now.


Serious suggestion: try gardening.

To plant a garden is to believe in tomorrow. - Audrey Hepburn


Thanks for this beautiful quote! So simple yet powerful


Gardening can indeed be a rewarding and therapeutic activity


Funny because I feel the opposite. Health care is so broken with all the politics, insurance, bureaucracy, financialization, etc that the vast majority of people are not able to reap the rewards of progress. Even the science is perverted because of bad incentives and only potentially lucrative research is funded.


I was about to say we pay for all this super modern progress by making healthcare so expensive it's out of reach of the vast majority of people in the world (and in the US).


https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-28...

Over 92% of Americans have health insurance. The vast majority DO have access to healthcare.


I wouldn't say having some type of insurance == access to healthcare.

The increase in deductibles and decrease in % coverage throughout the course of my career has been shocking.


Until the “wrong” ambulance comes to your door.


It couldn't exist otherwise. The privileged will always be the ones to push the boundaries of any endeavor, medicine included. Have hope that those rewards continue to work their way down, even though the process is long and arduous.


> It couldn't exist otherwise

That's just a failure of imagination, no? Endless sci-fi stories tell us a better world is possible, including wild genetic treatments curing deafness. Why should that apply to tech, but not society?


Name one story where privilege doesn't flow from the top down. That's not a story, that's a fever dream.


Astronomy is cool too, nothing anchors you back in reality like realizing how absolutely microscopic and insignificant our entire mankind's existence was and is.

Solid perspective and understanding of bigger picture is important, then nothing can surprise you much.


Personally, I find astronomy quite depressing. Learning that humanity is stuck on this rock; at least for my lifetime if not forever. As a kid I dreamed of exploring space. As an adult I learned that is impossible.


I always knew I would see the first man on the moon. I never dreamed I would see the last. -- Jerry Eugene Pournelle


The term "observable universe" is depressing enough for me.


"Welp, that's enough of looking at tens of thousands of places I'll never see up close."

smashes telescope, grabs another beer, and buys some tickets to visit Spain before going to bed with a little bit less defeat and despair than usual


I think this is why the skyrocketing costs of healthcare in the US are so upsetting to me. Its sucking away the hope by putting so many of these technological miracles out of reach.


The high Healthcare costs in the US are caused mostly by high physician salaries though, and that's probably highly correlated with why they are able to make all these breakthroughs


Last I checked, physician pay represents a fairly small (single digit) fraction of healthcare expenditure. If I recall right, administrative overhead and insurance is significantly more of a contributor to pricing.


Do you have a source for that? Physician salaries do not account for all that large of a portion of healthcare spending. A $300,000/year doc performs a lot of procedures annually, and the amortized amount isn't huge compared to other costs.


medical science is providing hope for existence


Yet shitty LLM grift research proposals receive 100x the funding compared to endeavors similar to this.


Molecular Biology research is much more funded than computer science. At least in Academia.


What's the end goal of modern medicine though? Immortality? You can perhaps reduce suffering to nil, but you can't cheat death.


Wouldn't reducing suffering to nil be a worthy goal? Is there any reason we shouldn't pursue this to its end?


You can reduce physical suffering, but what about mental suffering? Would you want everybody to take a drug that will make them perpetually "high"?


What's the end goal of this remark? What's the end goal of learning to farm and produce food even when the weather and pest gods don't bless you this year? What's the end goal of learning to heat your hut instead of dying every winter?


Why can't you cheat death? Excluding accidents and the like.


Because it will utterly end all societal development.

Imagine if fucking Ghengis Khan never had to die.

Or Henry Kissinger.

Or Carnegie

Our system is struggling under the immense weight of old leaders and the best they can do is pump themselves full of weird drug cocktails to have some semblance of being alive. Imagine removing the last roadblock to eternal life for the richest human alive.


People would develop in different ways if they could live to be 1000. It would hardly end societal development. I imagine education would be a bigger deal, since you'd be in less of a hurry to get on with life at 18. Families would be larger as more generations were included, which could create more nurturing and supportive environments for at-risk children. You'd also have fewer trust fund babies living off of the inheritance from a dead relative. And the sheer amount of brainpower and life experience we lose every time a 90 year old dies is depressing; science, technology, and literature could all benefit from people living longer.


Even if you solve for immortality, that wouldn’t mean you will have solved all of the medical ills of humanity.

We might be able to “cheat death” within our lifetimes.


Why does there have to be an end goal? Why cant things just do the thing they do?


This attitude matches how my friends in medicine think. There's a thing causing suffering. Can we get better at preventing our treating it?


What is the purpose of this question? "Yeah sure, we're fixing people's problems that cause pain, suffering, loss of productivity, death, etc, but what is the ultimate goal?"

Sometimes the ends are the means.


I mean... Let's cure cancer and then worry about the end goal.


It would be nice if people at these companies were rewarded the same way as food delivery app employees.


You want the people at these companies to get a 3 dollar tip each time they restore someone's hearing?


???? I would imagine the average surgeon is much happier with their compensation than the average DoorDasher. It's a reliable fixed-rate salary vs wondering if you'll get enough $3 tips to make rent this month.


Maybe gp was referring to the coders who work at said companies. I don't even think the individual dashers are employees.


Yes. Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I don't think doctors are overpaid. The amount of time and effort they invest in undergrad, sometimes additional college after that, medical school, residency, and sometimes a fellowship is more than I've ever been willing to put into my career.


I can assure you that regeneron pays very well, including significant equity and has absolutely fantastic benefits. Software developers probably get more at door dash (it isn't bad by any means, but they aren't "the talent" at regeneron after all), but folks involved in the science and trials are doing very well.


I thought Zaphod came in six-packs, baby, so how can you be zaphod12?


... Food delivery app employees get shitty rewards in proportion to their work as well?


huh?


Maybe they meant "food delivery app developers"?




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