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Can you give a source that backs up your claim that the banned person here has shared any kind of hate.


So, whatever is posted publicly on "polite" forums about what was going on Hyprland discord is tip of the iceberg. See for yourself - https://imgur.com/a/6Po3Paq

Changing someone's pronouns without their permissions seems like least of their offenses.

Hyprland discord appears to be a cesspool and one fermented by Vaxry himself, trans hate or otherwise. Now some people are saying - they have improved (and others are saying they have not). But reading his blog posts and seeing current status, I am not optimistic. I mean you can't make this stuff up. Why use a opensource discord community for sharing porn? (which likely have minors).


What am I supposed to be outraged about in the third screenshot? His disrespect for memory safety?


"rust is c++ for people with no ballz"


It's figurative ballz.

See: https://youtu.be/6i7a0cwyDDw


Start by reading here: https://drewdevault.com/2024/04/09/2024-04-09-FDO-conduct-en...

Remember to follow hyperlinks. They're there for a reason.


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Vaxry has since responded to this and apologized numerous times. As he states many times in his blogposts, he ais apologetic for this incident I, like him, fail to see why this keeps on being brung up. The server and him have changed drastically, it's not very fair to judge a changed person on their past actions.


That's immature and unthoughtful behaviour, but I fail to see "hate" or continued spreading of "hate", why a Wayland compositor uses Discord as a community forum given Discord is the gutter when it comes to online converse , who knows.

Keyword in your message is "may".


Discord is much, much more convenient than the historic alternatives like IRC or email. If you want a project to grow you have to meet prospective developers where they are; and in the 2020s that's X (Twitter), Mastodon, and Discord. Discord communities can be moderated to be safe and friendly... but Vaxry couldn't be arsed to do so because he's "based".

As to whether Vaxry was "really" promulgating hate... Refusing to acknowledge and respect a person's gender identity is transphobic.

Condoning this behavior (and victim-blaming the person who called it out) is transphobic.

When trans people and trans allies have positions of authority in an open-source community, public transphobes will get issued preemptive bans for the health of the community and the project. It is altogether fitting and proper that this be done.

Oh, and the fact that Vaxry slagged off Lyude publicly in his blog for good-faith enforcement of the code of conduct (as she has the authority and duty to do) just means that FreeDesktop would ban him again harder if they could.


> When trans people and trans allies have positions of authority in an open-source community, public transphobes will get issued preemptive bans for the health of the community and the project. It is altogether fitting and proper that this be done.

It sounds like abuse of power


> Oh, and the fact that Vaxry slagged off Lyude publicly in his blog for good-faith enforcement of the code of conduct

From what I see they both slagged each other.

Again though, I'm asking for where's the spreading of hate.


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This email is a very good demonstration on why you don't negotiate with terrorists or politburo representatives. They have gotten where they are exactly because they enjoy abusing the power given to them. Pleading your case before them is to just give them amusement.

They will spit on the work you carefully worked on throughout the years and celebrate that.

Thus, you don't negotiate. Instead, you go to their higher-ups and highlight that the company's resources are being misappropriated for petty squabbles and personal tilting at windmills.

Though sadly nowadays it has gotten way more difficult, because a greater portion of bureaucratic, community and HR positions in the companies are captured, so when the damage is noticed, it may already be too late.


Is this satire? Are we really at the level of policing thoughts?


So, whatever is posted publicly on "polite" forums about what was going on Hyprland discord is tip of the iceberg. See for yourself - https://imgur.com/a/6Po3Paq

Hyprland discord appears to be a cesspool and one fermented by Vaxry himself, trans hate or otherwise. Now some people are saying - they have improved (and others are saying they have not). But reading his blog posts and seeing current status, I am not optimistic. I mean you can't make this stuff up. Why use a opensource discord community for sharing porn? (which likely have minors).


So? Is xe a discord moderator? Are you?

Stay out of other people's business. What they say and do in their discord server has nothing to do with code contributions an owner of the server makes.


No. We are at the level of holding people accountable for their BEHAVIOR. Something that historically hasn't been done, resulting in a chilling effect on contributions from decent people, especially those from marginalized groups. That's changing.

You can fulminate about trans people all you like in the quiet of your own home, but if you harass or intimidate them in a publicly viewable way, there will be consequences. And when a code of conduct board member for a project approaches you and tells you you need to do better, any response other than "Yes, sir/ma'am/other, I will do better" is grounds for questioning whether you should be permitted to contribute further to the project.


> No. We are at the level of holding people accountable for their BEHAVIOR

Someone has been held accountable for their behaviour and apologised, it doesn't mean they're forever in your debt and on a chain.


The more you talk the more people will avoid you and people like you. You are not holding people accountable you are having a power trip and enacting vengeance on perceived transgressions. He did not harass anyone and for past transgression he apologize but the CoC board member felt like he needed a power trip. People like you should be held far away from any position of power.


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Normal people aren't raging transphobes and won't tolerate your presence as you make others feel unwelcome. You'll find that out eventually.


If you have to even list your pronouns, you do care too much about them.

It'll be wild to look back on all this when the spell finally breaks. Do you remember that one time people lost their shit over pronouns?


Open source is so cooked. It will be a wonder if linux survives Torvalds' death.


Transgender contributors to open source existed before you were born and will continue to exist after you die.

Just to be clear.


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Unless Lyude decides you need to be banned for something that happened in a different place multiple years ago, in which case your valuable contributions mean nothing and you're no longer allowed to contribute.


If you wish to study physics at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and the dean finds out that you have a history of painting swastikas on buildings and decides to ban your ass from campus, it's not exactly an arbitrary or capricious decision.


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Because they had a history of painting swastikas on buildings. Did you read the comment you replied to?


The ban was for something that had just happened, which was the poor response to emails and the inflammatory blog post.

People keep trying to frame it like the ban was strictly for past actions from years ago, which I find disingenuous at worst and gullible at best.


IMO, the rude and unprompted initial email was "inflammatory." It was responded to in kind, which the sender did not take well.

If you're that upset about someone publishing a supposedly formal email that you sent, perhaps you should consider why that is instead of just knee-jerk banning the person to protect yourself.


> which was the poor response to emails

The email said it wasn't up for discussion.


Well gosh, why are you trying to discuss it now? Seems like a waste of time to me.


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What do you find annoying about these people?




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