> Israel is surrounded by countries that would like to see it wiped off of the map
Israel is occupying territories from 3 countries of those. Killing thousands. Initiated attacks in the past to conquer lands from another one (Egypt Sinai) and still occupying Palestinian lands (even if count 1967 borders) where there are 800k settlers/colonizers in west bank alone. And regularly bomb and kill civilians in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine. It has WMD (remember the lie that Iraq get invaded under this claim because that is dangerous for the region)
Painting the problem on the other sides while the aggressor is very obvious is a dishonest take at best.
If you want your neighbors to even recognize and sympathize with your cause then you don't kill their children and take their lands. And then claim self-defense.
Most of isreali society origins are from Europe. They are victims of Europe refusing and kicking them outside. That doesn't make them victims in general.
The argument that the lands can be given back if there is a peace and recognition is bullshit. Israel have clear intend in annexation and the US is fine ans even recognized Golan heights as Israeli land. They settle their people in the occupying land. There is even companies and cabinet members discussing building new settlements in gaza after ethnically cleansing the Palestinians.
> Painting the problem on the other sides while the aggressor is very obvious is a dishonest take at best.
You're right. Israel isn't blameless; I did gloss over history although that wasn't really my intention. It has been the aggressor in the past.
Overall, I feel that Israel has to be aggressive just to survive in the environment. I'm not condoning what's going on today, but it is unfair to act like Israel has some _clearly_ better or "right" choice that they're just ignoring.
> If you want your neighbors to even recognize and sympathize with your cause then you don't kill their children and take their lands. And then claim self-defense.
There is not a world where Israel could rest without fear of being attacked. The entire region would have to change drastically.
> but it is unfair to act like Israel has some _clearly_ better or "right" choice that they're just ignoring
Let me first state I'm confused by that statement. I don't feel safe so that I will not only treat the people I live with them in the same house bad and kill them. I will take lands from my neighbors and kill some of them too. Likewise, I will have a right wing group in my house who want the death of all my neighborhood ethnicity [1]. And that's because of them forcing me to do that because otherwise I don't feel safe. Maybe you can do better.
If you want them to accept you then start by granting indigenous people their own land and don't build new settlements on their lands (800k in west bank alone) and share it with them (1967 international recognized borders) and return the Syrian and Lebanese lands. You try to play nice with them and advocate for your cause, you suffered in Europe, came as refugee and some of us living here with you (indigenous people) for centuries, and we can do it again. You stop bombing your neighbors, for sure. Furthermore, you don't elect right wing government who call for genocide of Palestinians (remember the motto of likud "from the river to the sea" ?)
> There is not a world where Israel could rest without fear of being attacked. The entire region would have to change drastically.
Yes, and of course this change will be sparked by killing tens of thousands and starving millions to death, occupying lands from most of the neighbors and build new settlements on them. Yes, that is very good and efficient way to make peace.
And what about the other side, did you stop to think from their preservice ? Why don't you think that they have the right to their lands and peaceful life without a nuclear-powered army occupying their lands ?
Israel is occupying territories from 3 countries of those. Killing thousands. Initiated attacks in the past to conquer lands from another one (Egypt Sinai) and still occupying Palestinian lands (even if count 1967 borders) where there are 800k settlers/colonizers in west bank alone. And regularly bomb and kill civilians in Syria, Lebanon and Palestine. It has WMD (remember the lie that Iraq get invaded under this claim because that is dangerous for the region)
Painting the problem on the other sides while the aggressor is very obvious is a dishonest take at best.
If you want your neighbors to even recognize and sympathize with your cause then you don't kill their children and take their lands. And then claim self-defense.
Most of isreali society origins are from Europe. They are victims of Europe refusing and kicking them outside. That doesn't make them victims in general.
The argument that the lands can be given back if there is a peace and recognition is bullshit. Israel have clear intend in annexation and the US is fine ans even recognized Golan heights as Israeli land. They settle their people in the occupying land. There is even companies and cabinet members discussing building new settlements in gaza after ethnically cleansing the Palestinians.