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> if this is about not-illegal-but-objectionable content, I'm actually glad that as an infrastructure company, they're choosing to not get into the business of content moderation.

Agreed. There's one other subset you didn't mention: "Clearly illegal but not yet handled in the court of law". Cloudflare again has a pretty hardline stance that "the courts need to come to us and force us to take it down"



> Cloudflare again has a pretty hardline stance that "the courts need to come to us and force us to take it down"

"Hardline"? To me it seems like quite reasonable approach as opposed to "we will just take down anything someone on Twitter didn't like".


It's not reasonable. 99% of scams, frauds and harassment will never be subject of legal action, because there just aren't enough prosecutors out there to charge every fraud attempt.

If you require a court ruling before blocking a fraud, it means you will keep hosting 99% of frauds.


If it's clearly illegal, what prevents it from being handled in any court of law? If it's not actually as clear, preemptive/overzealous compliance can lead to all kinds of undesirable (in a liberal democracy) effects.

I also doubt that Cloudflare lets every single analogous issue bubble up to a full court case every single time, but for new/unclear/borderline scenarios, I'm glad that courts don't get to outsource their duty, i.e. determining the legality of actions, to a for-profit organization without public oversight.


> Clearly illegal but not yet handled in the court of law

Isn't that somewhat of an oxymoron? What are some examples of something that is against the law but not handled by the courts of law?


Maybe that commentator lives in a country without common law, so precedent doesn't matter, but in a country like the US a law without precedent is considered "untried" and a lot of the details are worked out when the law is first enforced.

If the legislature doesn't like the court's interpretation, they can then amend the law and the process restarts.

So basically, at least in the US, nothing is clearly illegal until it is handled by a court -- so yes I think you're right


I mean not handled yet. Like say I'm hosting pirated content. Yes it's illegal, but it's not Cloudflare's place to say that.


Right, but if brought up to the courts, they would handle it, since it's illegal. But someone needs to prosecute for that to happen.

So it sounds like the system works as intended, as far as I understand.


I agree. It's not Cloudflare's place to remove something because it might be illegal




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