Watch the full interview. They offer him many outs, saying that perhaps there is a language barrier, and that he's going to do no favours to his country by saying that. But he insists that it is exactly what he means.
I don't speak Italian so can't do that but regardless of you have to find a former ambassador to Italy then you're scratching around, he was looking out of his post before any strategy of this war was fought and Israel was using the containment strategy re Gaza/Hamas prior to Oct 7
