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Should I Stop Flying? (outsideonline.com)
18 points by colinprince on Oct 17, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 18 comments


Started reading, but I'm already there. Traveling less quickly and with less energy converted per person is a no-brainer given human population. It's okay to not get everything we want, and in restraint can be found so much pleasure in life.

I would like for young people, out of high school or during college/tradeschool, to be able to travel somewhere(s) else in the world so they can see how similar we all are. World leaders need in-person meetings, I think. Journalists and authors, so the rest of us can read about their experiences, whether in fiction or non. There are other reasonable exceptions. Easy for me to say, as I've been around the world a couple times and visited maybe twenty countries after college. I want that for all of my students, and then I want them to generally be okay with flying seldom to never thereafter.

Yes, please stop flying, thus increasing the chances of a slower decline of life on Earth during this extinction event.


Easy to say. But my family lives in a country about 1000 miles away. I can take a coach from Budapest to Oradea (in Romania - the wrong way), and then back to Birmingham, which would take around 36 hours. With no space for my legs, nowhere for my son to play, etc.

It would cost about 30-40% of a flight, but would mean setting off 2 days earlier, costing me 2 days' worth of holidays.

I could take a train, which would take around 24 hours. Trains are much better for long distance than coach, so that's good, but still cramped and difficult. I would also need to buy tickets from four or five different providers, and it's not clear how much my journey is 'protected'. If just one of those trains is delayed, can I still get to my destination within the planned time, or will it mean missing a train which runs once a day, adding 24 hours to my travel time?

The train also costs about 100-150% of the flight price.

It's really the case of 'fast, cheap, comfortable, pick two' when you fly. When you travel without a plane, often you can only pick one.


> to be able to travel somewhere(s) else in the world so they can see how similar we all are.

"One Travel for Life", a new sci-fi serie soon on Netflix \o/


For everybody who stops flying on this side of the world, don't forget the multitude on the other side of the world who are finding the financial ability to fly for the first time. So many new 737s and A320s are being shipped to the developing world (https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/air-india..., https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65952879# almost 1000 airplanes ordered for India alone this year)

More energy should be spent trying to encourage more efficient flying and removing inefficient aircraft from the skies (like 777s) by helping Boeing/Airbus get unblocked on building more 787s/A350s. What about pursuing policies to get airplanes to not sit at gates with their APUs on, that'd make a pretty big reduction in emissions relative to a handful of outside.com readers deciding to take the train.


The green law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor nations alike to grow economy, to build more industry, and to harness natural resources.


>Most of us can’t imagine not flying

Actually, "most of us" have never flown and never will during their lives.


> In 2018, the industry accounted for 2.4 percent of global emissions and has single-handedly contributed to about 4 percent of observed human-caused climate change to date.

What can individuals do about the other 96% of human-caused climate change/97.6% of global emissions?


Drastically reduce consumption of meat and dairy. And buy less stuff. Simple, really.


Just curious, if flying's contribution to "observed human-caused climate change to date" is overrepresented (4%) compared to its share of global emissions (2.4%), then what is/are the activity or activites that are underrepresented?

Like, what generates lots of emissions but is a much smaller deal in terms of climate change?


People should not only stop flying, but they should reduce their mobility in general. Travel is never really sustainable , no matter the means of transport.


We need to change our labor standards so I can take a boat to Auckland from SF and still spend two whole weeks in NZ.


Bring back WFBoat you say?

That was aspirational in the 60's: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventures_of_the_Seaspray


Doesn't seem to list any changes the reductions in flights would cause?


What do you think the reductions in flights would cause?


I would expect more damage to road networks, more rubber through tires, cars would use more fuel to offset some of the savings from flights.

(car/flight focused countries)

more EV stations along long routes would be nice, but its a bit chicken and egg


Or, you know, trains.


how can I get a train from one side of the atlantic to the other?


is this a serious question?




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