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I believe that the best antidote for this utterly bullshit marxist propaganda is ESR[0]'s essay "Why hackers should eject SWJs". Please take time to read this (and, if you like it, other his essays): http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6918

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond



Indeed, please do take some time to read his other writings. Some choice examples:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/aim/

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=26


I truly cannot see the connection between ESR's criticisms in that essay, and the subject matter of the OP article. Can you you please add some clarifying context?


Let me just quote it for you: " If we fall away from meritocracy – if we allow the SJWs to remake us as they wish, into a hell-pit of competitive grievance-mongering and political favoritism for the designated victim group of the week – we will betray not only what is best in our own traditions but the entire civilization that we serve". s/SJWs/Marxists/


I'm not seeing the connection between the specific ideological groups Raymond is criticizing, and anyone in the OP submission. Are you bucketing the author of this article with the people Raymond is criticizing? That connection seems so broad that anyone calling for any systemic change of any kind in the tech space could be likewise bucketed, which seems unreasonable. Aside, I don't think that was Raymond's intent with the essay, where he employs some very specific examples of what groups/ideologies he is criticizing.

I'm asking for context, one quote from the article I already read is not providing it. It's only confusing me further. I did not understand your perspective after reading that article, so you quoting one line of it that seems especially salient to you from your perspective is not helping me understand you.

Breaking down the acronym in his essay, I don't really see the connection between the "social justice" advocacy he is specifically criticizing, and the advocacy in the article for worker rights / class equality.

And to be clear, I'm really doing my best not to voice any opinion for/against Raymond's own views in that essay or the author's views in the OP submission - I just truly cannot understand why you are drawing this comparison between the subject matter of each article.


I am not bucketing, but showing analogies, using the most prominent and at the same time controversial idea from OP that engineers should deny teaching their peers and lower-grade engineers, writing documentation and otherwise undermine the whole meritocratic makers culture.


Can you please explain your analogy, then? What do you view as analogous between these two commentaries and why?

Edit: I think you provided half the analogy in this reply, but I can't perceive the connection to Raymond's article or understand why you are drawing that connection. To reuse your quote, what is the connection between engineers refusing to "go the extra mile" as described in the OP, and the creation of "a hell-pit of competitive grievance-mongering and political favoritism for the designated victim group of the week"?


Both Marxists and SJWs (in the narrow meaning of the word, although I think that Marxists are part of SWJs) want to destroy the engineering culture. OP is attacking it directly, painting it as "free labor for entities that are trying to cut their wages".


Written in 2015, with ESR's typical naive-utopian ideas about "hacker culture". The whole point of TFA is that the corporations that employ the people who, at this point, make up "hacker culture" have shown their hand, and it looks very different when you can see the cards instead of the backs of their hand.

But also, the "SWJs" that ESR is talking about have almost nothing to do with the class warfare described in TFA. If you think they do, you don't understand SWJs or the marxist-sense of class warfare.


"Naive-utopian hacker culture" gave us approximately everything we are building upon right now. Can't tell the same about SJWs. And yes, they are very much the same as those who call to class warfare and unionizing. Those are people who interested in shifting the power from the people who actually build things to those who will dictate them what to do and what not to do.


I'm almost 60. I'm a part of the "naive utopian hacker culture" - I started working on the GNU project in 1986. And I'm telling you that this conception of it - as something alternative to political power, class warfare (or at least, an understanding of class) and "that old stuff" - is just completely invented bullshit (invented in part by ESR, who I went out to a rave with back in 97).

I built/build things ... and I'm telling you that your analysis is wrong. Yor antipathy towards what ESR terms SJWs and to unions and the understanding that a class war has been ongoing whether you want to admit or not is blinding you to reality that "naive utopian hacker culture" might have been a good driver for technological "innovation", but it has never been how the world works, nor will it be.




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