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Why can't we just use numbers? "This house in this climate will use about X kwh per year for heating/cooling". That's what appliances do. No messing with scales and tiers and having to constantly re-balance.

It's also more directly meaningful to customers. An A+++++ mansion is going to use more energy to heat than a modest A+++ house.



> Why can't we just use numbers?

Because numbers require everyone who is involved in comparing options (i.e. consudmers) to have intimate knowledge of what those numbers mean. Is X kwh actually good? How does it compare to other houses in the area? What number do you use - the amount of energy it will take to heat the house, or the amount of energy of a specific type you will use. How do you compare those (a house with Natural Gas as a heat source will require significantly less electricity to heat than a house with electric radiators, but will likely _cost_ more).

Using ratings gives a standardised way to compare them. If you compare two houses, one has an A rating and one has a B rating, the B one is strictly worse, by an amount that someone who knows something about this has deemed significant.

> That's what appliances do

Appliances are graded on a similar score here. Every appliance you buy in the EU has one of these [0] labels (which has the same problem).

> An A+++++ mansion is going to use more energy to heat than a modest A+++ house.

You're comparing two different things here, and forgetting a very important point - someone who is going to buy a "mansion" is not going to buy a modest house, so it doesn't matter what the rating of the house is in comparison. What matters is the rating of the mansion next door.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_energy_label


Hm, in the US we have energy labels on appliances like [1] that just tells you how much energy it will likely use. When shopping for a fridge, you can directly compare different models.

It even shows the average cost of other similar products. So you can see both the absolute numbers and a visual representation of how efficient something is in relative terms without having to squint and count '+' marks.

I don't see why we couldn't do that for houses. Maybe use a unit like BTU instead of kwh to account for different heating sources. And include a comparison to the average range for houses in the area.

This would be a lot more concrete and avoid arbitrary ratings. If the ratings are based on bureaucratic rules (i.e. can't have stovetop vents) instead of actual measurements, then it feels a lot less meaningful. "This house will cost about $X to heat each year" is a much more useful piece of information for someone house shopping.

[1] https://www.sce.com/residential/home-energy-guide/energy-sta...


We can, don't have them on hand though. There's still a huge number of houses with B or lower ratings, so I only if you're looking at new builds do you have to count plusses ;)




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