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Until recently, they've been able to keep expenses relatively low, but selling cars has always been low margin business.

Their sales is still pretty strong, so I hope they're able to restructure their debt with creditors.



I wouldn’t believe that. It’s a financial scheme where they were somehow able to get massive collateralized loans to buy lots of inventory whose value is very volatile.

It is reminiscent of an attempt to corner silver or something. I’m sure the insiders cashed out.


There was a whole lot of fraud going on between Carvana (public) and DriveTime (private). It'll come out in due course.


This well researched article maybe assists here. https://seekingalpha.com/instablog/767332-clastic/5627003-ca...


Can you explain the nature of the fraud and how it benefited each company?


Drivetime is a privately held subprime used dealer group that lists their inventory on Carvana, which is a public spinoff of Drivetime. The CEO of Carvana is the son of the Drivetime owner. Plenty of room to launder profits via wholesale prices.


This seems like wild speculation.


In October 1990, García, then a Tucson-based real estate developer pleaded guilty to a felony bank fraud charge for his role as a straw borrower in the collapse of Charles Keating's Lincoln Savings and Loan Association.[4][5] Garcia "fraudulently obtained a $30-million line of credit in a series of transactions that also helped Lincoln hide its ownership in risky desert Arizona land from regulators."[4] Garcia spent three years on probation, and he and his firm filed for bankruptcy.[5]

In 1991, García bought Ugly Duckling, a bankrupt rent-a-car franchise, for under $1 million and merged it with his own fledgling finance company, and turned it into a company selling and financing used cars for sub-prime buyers with poor credit history.[5] Garcia took the company public on the NASDAQ exchange in 1996, trading under the ticker "UGLY".[6] In 1999, Garcia was involved in six lawsuits alleging he had "abused his position to profit" from a real estate deal where he ultimately acquired 17 company properties at a 10% discount.[5] In 2002, Garcia and the former Ugly Duckling CEO, Gregory Sullivan, took the company private and renamed it DriveTime.[7]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Garcia_II


It’s probably dead accurate, let’s find out


There was people saying the same thing about similar comments regarding Theranos once.


It didn’t benefit Drivetime at all, but father & son more than made up for it by selling off CVNA as it rallied to $370 last year.

Give it a year or two, it’ll all come out.




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