They are laying off a large portion of workers who have previously expressed being hostile to the new leadership. There is bloat, laziness, aimlessness, and the company is being taken in a radically new direction. It’s pretty tactful so far, as far as I am concerned. We haven’t even seen the severance.
You have nothing to complain about. First priority is to protect Twitter systems, so locking everyone out temporarily (or as the case may be, permanently) makes a lot of sense.
Yeah that’s about payroll, effectively. You revoke all access, and tell the employees their project is over. Pay salary until a termination date 60 days in the future.
The termination is still “no cause”. At least in CA.
And all duties are typically over on the day of the layoff notice. Turn in your badge, take your stuff off the premises, etc.
You can be terminated for cause without notice. Layoffs are different, and different again in each jurisdiction. Both the federal government and California, where Twitter is headquartered, have specific laws for this exact situation, and Musk et al are in clear violation of those laws plus the agreement under which he acquired the company. Either your partner in HR (notably not legal) is misinformed, or you misunderstood what they told you. Regardless, you're the one who's confused - and that's trying hard to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Typically in a tech layoff you revoke all access, 2 months paid salary, and effectively say “your project is complete, termination date 2 months from now”.
That’s compliant and it happens all the time in CA.
You’re making the claim they are not compliant and you have none of the info needed to make that claim. (You’re the disinfo, bub)
Right. That’s why 2 months paid salary is standard. With any severance on top. I've had this done a few times and I've witnessed it a few times.
You guys were going around essentially saying "THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW!!!" it's a no notice layoff!!!
And obviously there is no evidence for that.
They are basically about to do the layoff "notice", which will also involve telling these people to stop working immediately and turn in their assets. Telling them to stop working is totally in compliance.
I'll admit that I am not in HR. But, to be clear workers are still legally revoked all access and told to cease producing with no notice and that's fine.
Layoffs exactly like this take place all the time.
The context is if they are laying people off without giving 60 days, they are breaking the law. IDK what they are doing. But that is what people at Twitter are claiming (in some circumstances).
Right. Yeah the people claiming law breaking seems to come from a few (5) employees who started a lawsuit on the day of (may even be a coincidence). NYT and others blindly parroted the info that a suit as been filed (of course, in NYT's language, it's like: "laid off employees sue Twitter for breaking employment law!")
The only claim someone might have is if they individually fully terminated in the past ~30 days. Then there is question about whether they were "part of" the layoff or not and therefor required more days of payroll / benefits.
This is why in a medium+ company, if you are fired even individually, they often pay the 60 days salary + benefits, with any severance on top. It leaves them the option of being able to fire other people in the same time period without exposing them to a BS lawsuit where the plaintiff/s may claim they were part of a layoff and weren't given 60 days.
They are laying off a large portion of workers who have previously expressed being hostile to the new leadership. There is bloat, laziness, aimlessness, and the company is being taken in a radically new direction. It’s pretty tactful so far, as far as I am concerned. We haven’t even seen the severance.
You have nothing to complain about. First priority is to protect Twitter systems, so locking everyone out temporarily (or as the case may be, permanently) makes a lot of sense.