Hence the shared dumbphone to take places. If we have to, we'll get one for each. No personal smartphones until they can pay for it themselves, at which point I reckon that's proof enough that they're responsible enough for it until they prove otherwise.
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> Also big difference between an 8 year old and 15 year old (still not really working age but definitely socializing independently age).
I started my first job at 15, as did tons of my classmates. Is that no longer a fairly ordinary age for a first job? Has it changed that much changed in a bit over two decades?
AFAIK nothings really changed, but 14 has been on the fringe of legal employment age in most scenarios for a long time and is regulated. 16+ is fair game, plus depending on location there is the whole issue about how they get to work.
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> Also big difference between an 8 year old and 15 year old (still not really working age but definitely socializing independently age).
I started my first job at 15, as did tons of my classmates. Is that no longer a fairly ordinary age for a first job? Has it changed that much changed in a bit over two decades?