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> ...and some numbers are wacky. > <50% believe in God/higher being, down from 80%+ in early 00s.

I guess teaching kids to trust in science and not in imaginary friends is slowly paying off.



OP didn't say kids trust science though. It could be they reject everything. :-(


Rejecting organized religion for any reason is a step in the right direction.


Or that's a facile thought, that doesn't take into consideration second order effects and utility, only whether "god is true" or not...


Organized religion is a different kind of societal harm, where personal religion can be good or bad, organized religion will always be a net negative.


> organized religion will always be a net negative.

There are clear benefits to organized social stuff. For whatever reason, religions appear to be more effective at this than secular groups. One of the more "fun" theories I've seen is that this is because religious beliefs are often nonsensical and costly.

For large scale events, I'm not convinced that nations that tried to do away with organized religion got better outcomes for it.


What are you comparing religions against? Boy scouts? Sports clubs?


Actually, it's organized religion that can be good or bad. Personal religion is a personal affair, which seldom concerns society. But organized religion has been critical in the establishment of laws and customs, ethical change, societal norms, national expression against opression, etc.


Organized religion helped to defeat Communism, and tempered dictatorial control of many despots in the middle east. So your statement is far removed from reality.


Seems to me it would be more accurate to say that dictatorial despots helped temper organized religion.


This only works to your benefit if the despot is on your side. Even if you are in the inner circle, despots tend to be very temperamental and murder their own supporters on whims of insecurity. So be careful what you wish for.


> Organized religion helped to defeat Communism

So it literally did nothing, because Communism doesn't exist in real life?

> tempered dictatorial control of many despots in the middle east

[citation needed]


Organized Religion is literally the only organized opposition left under dictatorial rule. Even tyrants have a hard time going around murdering clerics. But you go ahead and believe what you want.


> Organized religion helped to defeat Communism

Looks like this is helping the argument that religion is a net negative


How so?


I'm a communist sympathizer


> Organized religion helped to defeat Communism

The cold war propaganda was ratcheted down some time after Gen X; to a super-majority of under-30s, even conservative ones, this probably sounds more like a knave's laugh line than a sincerely held belief.


If that's the case, they have no clue what they're talking about. The Pope literally helped to organize and support the main opposition Solidarity movement. With many churches across the world actively working to end it.


Organized religion constrains and directs group dynamics. That's not a defense or indictment of religion; it's just a fact.

Getting rid of organized religion does not get rid of the fundamental aspects of human cognition that give rise to certain types of group dynamics.

Since the 1800s, non-theists have warned that getting rid of religion is not an unmitigated good. "God is dead" was a warning.


So...a desperate attempt to invent God from whole cloth?


Careful...delusion comes in many forms.


They still have imaginary friends on facebook though. At least god has morals. We haven't replace those and the number of mass shootings seems to be going up as belief in god goes down.


You don't need god for morals (contrary to what many believe)


When you're talking about an individual, of course. When you're talking about a population - what is replacing that?


It would surprise me if there were any statistics that didn't indicate the opposite of your implications.




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