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Swedish Klarna is privately valued at 45.6B.

US Affirm is publicly valued at 34.55B.

AUS Afterpay is publicly valued at 31.19.

I don’t think it is a bold statement. All the major competitors are pretty close.



That is why it's a bold statement. The landscape is still rich with competitors and seeing new entries. Affirm and Afterpay are public. Klarna is private and the beneficiary of a very frothy VC market. Their rounds are led by Softbank which many investors think is leading a charge in overvaluing unicorns.

We'll see how things shake out. Calling them 'the winner' of the market is just odd.


Calling them 'the winner' of the market is just odd.

Calling them the winner right now is fine. They are winning.

They have not won though. The game is still on.


Measuring private valuations vs. public valuations is dubious. I don't think it's as clear cut as people are making it.


Valuations is dubious regardless private/public. See Tesla or Rivian...


I don't really have a horse in this race, but surely the big credit card companies are the big dogs in the "buy now pay later" market? Or is there some highly tech-specific submarket these days?


Credit cards are in a great position to get into this market since they can use your existing line of credit and don't require a new credit check in order to give you a loan. The Apple credit card is a great example, where now you can buy any apple products on a monthly payment plan with no interest and without any extra friction at check-out.

But I don't think most banks issuing credit cards are in this business yet. And of course making normal purchases on credit cards is a terrible way to "buy now pay later" because the interest rates are so ridiculously high.

It will be interesting to see if more banks get into this market seeing how successful Klarna, Affirm, etc. seem to be, because it does eat into their existing high interest rate profits on credit cards.


Buy now, pay later platforms allow random e-commerce sites to support installment payments. Thus, mom and pop e-commerce sites don't need to build it out. It's all provided as a SaaS.


It's similar but a little different, as it is usually shorter (you need to pay it in a set number of installments over a fixed schedule, like 4 weeks) and there's no interest if you pay on time, at least with Klarna. I have no idea how they make money (maybe they make some money from the interchange?) but that's the gist of their business model.


They earn a fee from merchants and, despite what they say, I believe most of these companies also have products that aren't zero interest (Affirm also sells some of its loans...I have no idea about this, I have relatively good knowledge of accounting but I am not 100% on the accounting for this so I have no idea whether it actually generates income).

The fee from merchants is interesting because the claim is: the fee from merchants is going to be larger than the losses from making bad loans (and the costs of servicing). I am very sceptical of this. Management describe their underwriting model as largely using stuff like the product bought, the retailer used, the value of the order...it just sounds very suspect. And that is before you consider the valuation, the legislative risks, the interest rate risk (doing 0% loans stops making sense if interest rates rise), etc. I am in the UK and these kind of businesses usually trade at very low multiples because the regulation in the space is so high.

I would regard $10bn market cap as a pretty jazzy valuation for Affirm, the stock is at $35bn.


They make money when you don't pay on time.


credit has been the ruin of whole societies -- what can go wrong?




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