Self-driving cars without a safety driver haven't been approved to operate in LA yet, nor on Bay Area freeways, nor anywhere that the speed limit is above 30mph; I think it's clear they won't get their approval to drive in such conditions until they've proven their ability to do so safely and without disrupting the traffic around them.

What we're discussing right now is riding in one on Bay Area streets where they're already proven their safe and orderly track record.