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> Used EVs will be relatively affordable soon

We're very far away from crossing under 30K, much less 10K



My LEAF cost a little over $30K brand new (before $10K in total rebates).

Used LEAFs (and Smart ED/EQs) are readily available in the $5K to $10K range.


Used Chevy volt for 5-15k, it seems you can get a sub 10k electric car already?


A Volt is a hybrid, not a pure electric. (The Bolt is Chevy’s BEV.)


So what? If it drives a few 10s of miles without burning gas, if everyone used them, that would eliminate probably 90%+ of emission pollution in cities.

I feel that the obsession with pure electric has crippled the fight against pollution and CO2 emissions. Every car with 20 miles of battery range is probably a lot more impactful in the fight against climate change than 10% of cars with 200 miles of battery range, and has fewer major tradeoffs (cheaper, limited range/recharging is not an issue, much less need to build an entirely new charging infrastructure).


Upthread context is someone positing/supporting a total ban of all ICE in their city and someone arguing that’s disproportionately harmful to the poor because pure EVs are more expensive. In that context, it matters quite a bit that the Volt has an ICE, even though I overall agree with you on the Volt being environmentally beneficial.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28504461


Even a hybrid is probably sufficient in this context.


Upthread context: “If I had a vote whether to ban combustion engines from my city (cars, trucks, mopeds, leaf blowers - everything), with a relatively short transition period (say 5 years), I'd be in favor.”

In that context, the Volt (and other hybrids, plug-in or not) would either be banned or be required to disable their ICE engines in the city.

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28504461


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good

But EVs are really not perfect anyway.

People say why have two powerplants. The reason is to get rid of the (environmental impact of) 300 mile batteries.

90% of the time, 10% of the battery is enough.

From the page above:

"If you never miss a plane, you're spending too much time at the airport."


Indeed, and that was for the reason of ending emissions within a city. A poor person who commutes with one is likely (even though not guaranteed) to be using it over the sort of distance where the tiny battery is sufficient, so with regard to achieving that goal rather than that method, I think hybrids would probably be sufficient.


I agree that banning all ICE vehicles in 5 years is not a practical nor worthwhile goal to pursue.


It's in a weird space. It's kinda a pure electric.




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