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Uh-oh. So, since they don't count me as a potential consumer of their content, does this mean I can just torrent all their stuff without repercussions?

It doesn't look that such action will result in some lost revenie, right?



That isn’t how the law works. You can still be a consumer if you buy a different device.

This is like saying, “since this show is on HBO, but I only subscribe to Netflix, it must be totally ok to pirate it”

They aren’t required By law to support all forms of consumption to maintain their copyright.

It might suck, and you can be mad at them, but it doesn’t give you any legal right to pirate.


I can't believe I have to say this to an adult, but:

No, that does not mean you can steal.


Can you explain how piracy is stealing?


Please, stop calling it 'piracy'. To quote rms:

"When record companies make a fuss about the danger of "piracy", they're not talking about violent attacks on shipping. What they complain about is the sharing of copies of music, an activity in which millions of people participate in a spirit of cooperation. The term "piracy" is used by record companies to demonize sharing and cooperation by equating them to kidnaping, murder and theft." [1]

[1]: https://stallman.org/articles/end-war-on-sharing.html


The irony is that free software requires copyright enforcement as precondition. I mean, if a company takes a GPL'ed code, modifies it, and sells it to another willing party without following GPL's terms, what does the original author materially lose?


It is not the irony. The core idea of GPL is to fight proprietary software with its own weapon.

Also, I think that you misunderstand the GPL terms. The aggrieved party in this hypothetical case is not the original author, it is the buyer of this modified software, whose rights to four essential freedoms [1] would be violated. These violations have a very real material cost.

BTw, it is common for people to believe that GPL requires publishing source codes on the Internet. It is not so. The requirement is to provide the user of a program source codes, so he can exercise the guaranteed freedoms. You can do it in any suitable form, publishing code is just the most convenient way to do it, but not mandatory.

[1]: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html


Hence the clarification "willing party". A company "pirates" a GPL'd code, creates its own derivative version, slaps a sticker saying "This is proprietary code, if you want to see the source then go buy from somewhere else." Someone is willing to buy the product, they are both happy. Just like two internet users sharing copyrighted files.


People can be coerced (fooled, cheated, etc) into believing that they are 'willingly' abandon their rights. This hypothetical example isn't similar to the case we're discussing here in this thread.


Read all the other comments.


Your definition of "theft" is a bit too broad, don't you think?

Usually theft means that the original owner is deprived of goods - they can't use them, can't sell them, they simply don't the the original item. This is simply not the case for digital goods. HBO won't lose money when I download GOT, won't they?


If it was totally legal to pirate all content, why would anyone pay for it? And if no one pays for content, why would HBO finance its creation?

It is disingenuous to say piracy doesn’t cost anything to the content creators.


It is totally legal to pirate content where I live now, and where I've lived before. Still, I pay for video games on Steam or for Spotify. Hell I even buy music on Bandcamp. I do this because it's convenient and because I want to support creators.

However, when a creator goes out of their way to alienate me as a customer - by either dropping support for my platform, or by region-blocking - I happily put on my pirate hat and get what I want for free. There is no other viable choice for me.


Steam is successful not because piracy is illegal. It is successful because it made buying games more convenient than pirating it. It is far easier to click, pay, get content than torrenting stuff and finding correct cracks/keygens, etc.

I have bought a great deal of games I played in 1990s (pirated, of course - there simply did not exist a way to buy games legally in Russia at that time), just because I liked them back then.

Also, please stop calling copyright infringement 'piracy'. Piracy is a dangerous penal crime involving violence and an open theft of possessions. It has nothing to do with copying information.


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No, they should not. Haven't you seen the news? They've dropped support for my platform. Why should they receive money from me, for anything?

Also - thanks for showing your true colors so early. At least I know that engaging with you is pointless.


lol, not sure why I'd want to engage with someone who thinks stealing is fine.


Uh oh, you used the 'steal' word when referring to digital goods. A non-insignificant group of pirates don't consider downloading content to be 'theft.'


Your comment isn't obvious as to which side you're on, so I'll repeat the same thing just in case:

Not paying for the right to use something is theft of goods and services.


In which legislature? In all legislatures around the world?

Have you personally verified this fact or are you just stating an opinion as fact?


Copyright infringement and theft are two different things.


We don't consider brushing your teeth theft either by the way.


What if I pay their subsciption and pirate the shows?


So, can you please elaborate what exactly I would be stealing? They willingly abandoned any revenue they could get from me by abandoning my platform.


It isn’t like your ‘platform’ is a part of who you are. You could buy a device that they support.

Content creators/providers are legally allowed to restrict the platforms they support. For example, you have to watch some live sports through a cable tv subscription. There is no way to pay for it separately.

Does this suck? Sure, but cable companies pay enough money to make it worth all the lost customers (or at least that is what they are betting on)

You have no legal right to access content under your terms. Content creators have (nearly) complete control (there are some laws around what they can do, but requiring Linux support is not one of them)


So what? The law is easy to bypass and a very separate thing from morality.


You're not paying for the right to use something. That is theft of goods and services.


"Theft" implies that the victim loses something valuable to them. The more close analogy would be 'picking up someone decided to throw away'.


I wonder if you would feel the same way if someone violated an open source license....


theft requires taking something from someone. in the case of media piracy, the license owner's property is not lost. This is not theft.


Yes... it is. You're not paying for the right to use something. That is theft of goods and services.


Do you have any court precedents to back that up?


Indeed. Not stealing things for which one has capability to steal is considered morally wrong here.


It's still illegal. So make sure you don't get caught.




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