What is also funny is that settled immigrants often have more right-wing views about immigration than people born into that society.
This doesn't appear to happen in the US because of the history and the significant levels of illegal immigration today but, where I am, the group most in favour of controls on migration are settled immigrants.
It seems very odd to say limiting immigration is white supremacy. The US has a huge illegal immigration problem, being in favour of immigration is being in favour of controls. There is no realistic alternative (I get why Democracts want more voters...but speaking non-politically).
> What is also funny is that settled immigrants often have more right-wing views about immigration than people born into that society.
> This doesn't appear to happen in the US
Yes, it does. It may happen significantly less in communities where the immigrants, their descendants, and others of their ethnicity are targeted, without selectivity by immigration status, for bigotry, including the highly visible Latino/Latina community (though, even there it still is a recognized and not uncommon phenomenon.)
It definitely happens among White European immigrants.
> It seems very odd to say limiting immigration is white supremacy.
Limiting immigration isn't, inherently, white supremacy.
But the people pushing it hardest in the US are, quite overtly, also pushing White supremacy and courting and excusing White supremacists.
> The US has a huge illegal immigration problem
The United States has had net negative illegal immigration for over decade, and the gross level has been in decline, too. It does not have a “huge illegal immigration problem”. And the illegal immigration problem it does have is in significant part because of stupid features of it's immigration system, like per country caps on top of per category caps, which creates decades long backlogs for legal immigration from countries with large numbers of prospective immigrants meeting individual qualifications, and stupid features of it's domestic policy that intersect with immigration policy, like the war on drugs and the resultant exportation of hardened, long-term US resident gang members to Central America that have contributed to the violence and refugee crises there.
So much of this makes no sense. Immigrants are subject to bigotry everywhere. You are hopefully aware that during the WW2 a rather large number of people died because of this...yes, bigotry still exists in Europe (the US is vastly vastly vastly more tolerant than almost everywhere in Europe, the US was founded by people in Europe escaping bigotry and pogroms...most European nations are hostile to immigrants because they are largely homogeneous societies).
Your last comment is worse. The US has a level of illegal immigration that is unlike anything that has occurred in modern societies (i.e. since nation states formed). That is why it is a problem.
That isn't the fault of the US. If people somewhere else choose to break the law, the solution to that is not to change the law. US Law is made by US citizens (again, the only place in the world where someone would have this debate is the US).
Likewise, the "war on drugs" is a function of domestic policy in other countries...how can you blame the US for not intervening in the domestic policy of Central American countries (given the history of this in the 1980s). Again, thankfully saner heads have prevailed recently and we don't have govts invading other countries on a whim.
Also, in Europe we have people escaping a real war. A govt that is armed with chemical weapons and airplanes bombing the shit out of civilians. There is a high bar for refugee status...there is a reason why. Some people actually need help. Being poor and your country being a bad place to live is true in many places. If more people stayed where they are, and tried to make their countries better...maybe that would help?
When Trump quoted “When the looting starts the shooting starts” he was encouraging lynchings. Look up the history.
Along with numerous, more damning allegations, John Bolton says Trump is encouraging the Chinese to build death camps to house their ethnic minorities.
Boltan is a senior republican. He served in every republican administration since Regan. In fact, he’s also a racist, so it’s pretty clear he’s not some closet lefty plant. According to Wikipedia:
> From 2013 until March 2018, Bolton was chairman of the far-right anti-Muslim Gatestone Institute, which is prominent for disseminating false anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim information.
It’s not like this is the only time a member of Trump’s inner circle has blown a whistle. His former Secretary of Defense compared Trump to the Nazis in writing two weeks ago.
How much evidence will it take for you to pay attention to what Trump has been doing? Every mainstream news outlet consistently (except Fox, they’re inconsistent) runs stories about Trump’s racism and ties to white supremacists.
He purged a large percentage of his administration and the republican house and senate for opposing him.
His political campaign and immediate family regularly use Nazi imagery to support his campaign.
Funny though that you see a muuuch more receptive tone to H1B limits here on HN compared to say, a story about American manufacturing going overseas. Quite interesting how one’s perspective on outsourcing changes when it’s YOUR livelihood being threatened.
If millions of Americans were moving to India and taking up huge numbers of the top university spots and jobs, Indians would call it white supremacy, and they'd be right.
Indians would call it white supremacy, and they'd be right.
What’s it called when the Indian government puts the needs of Indian people first? Very few countries, the US being one, even care very much about non-citizens to start with.
I am not a foreigner seeking to immigrate. I'm an American, but only because we had open borders (for white people) when my ancestors immigrated. Developing "our" workforce is only possible through more immigration, not less, and that has always been the story of America.
Many Americans meanwhile are blind to the fact that our current administration's immigration policy is emblematic of the systemic oppression of non-whites in our society. It's not about "protecting" anything but the comfort of whites.
It's not that "anything short of total open borders" is white supremacy. It's that our current immigration policy is functioning as a tool of white supremacy, whose endgame is a white ethnostate. And a huge reason that literal Nazis and white nationalists vote Republican and celebrate the Presidency of Donald Trump is because their explicit goal is a white nation, which that party and that man are furthering through these immigration policies.
If you want to protect and develop our labor, you should be in favor of more immigration and not less.
