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I can't decide if the "Whom" in the title is a troll or not. At least the article gets it right.


How does the article get it right? If the answer can be "him", the question should be "whom", and if the answer can be "he", the question should be "who". Having said that, "Whom am I speaking with?" does sound pretty weird, "With whom am I speaking?" sounds much better.


That was the traditional rule, but in modern English, "whom" is a particularly marked usage anywhere except as the immediate object of a pronoun. "With whom am I speaking?" sounds formal but fine; "Who am I speaking with?" (or "...to?") is also fine. The form given in the title here is at best overly formal and stilted. What makes it weird is that it mixes the formal not-after-a-preposition "whom" with a sentence-ending "with", mixing register in a very confusing way.

It's like wearing a bow tie and tails with loud bermuda shorts: both are perfectly acceptable public attire and you might see either on a busy urban street of an evening, but it's jarring to see them together.


Right. "With whom am I speaking"? sounds stuffy at the beach. "Who am I speaking with?" sounds lazy at the opera. "Whom am I speaking with?" just sounds confused.

A similar example that annoys me is the American pronunciation of the wine Pinot Noir ("PEE-no NWAR"). I say make up your mind. It is either "PEE-no NWA" as in French, or "PEE-not NWAR". The mixed pronunciation just sounds confused. Plus, it goes great with peanuts.


> "PEE-no NWA" as in French

Unless the French language has changed since I lived there, Noir would be pronounced NWARhh, with a gutteral R.


Ok, there is some kind of faint R in the French, but it definitely doesn't ryhme with "see no star".

English: http://inogolo.com/pronunciation/Pinot%20Noir French: http://www.forvo.com/word/pinot_noir/#fr


Who is a subjective pronoun. Whom is an objective pronoun.

First hit off the Google: http://web.ku.edu/~edit/whom.html

Doesn't matter really, just made my brain twitch when I read it.


Me too, but that's because the implied preposition makes the word order look funny. The subject of the title sentence is "I".


The reason it "sounds weird" is that it's attempting to straddle two dialects. The use of "whom" is a signal for classical (Latinate) grammar, which would demand the Latinate prepositional word order, while the use of separable-prefix Germanic word order with "with" at the end is a signal to use "who" because dangling prepositions are associated with the less-Latinate trend towards discarding accusative "whom".

These modes normally don't get mixed, hence the weird sound of the title of this post.


I can't decide if this comment is a troll or not. "Whom" is grammatically correct.


I think it sounds odd because it's disconnected from its preposition. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever heard a sentence starting with "whom."


"Whom shall I fear?"


"To whom brother"


It wasn't a troll, but you're correct. The word order apparently caused my brain to spasm.




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