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When in God's name will they get rid of TouchBar? I DESPISE IT. Why not add the function keys back and add the touch bar above it? I see that there's space above!

Am I the only one that feels this way?



Not till Jony Ive leaves?

I think this is the root of most of these Apple design faux pas... he goes back to the Steve Jobs Era and was definitely blessed.

With Steve gone there is probably no one at the company who can actually say "This is the worst !@#$%^& thing ever!" like Steve Jobs liked to say. Tim Cook doesn't seem to be a product guy or something and trusts Ive too much.

Ive's ideas were good back in the day when everything was huge and clunky but he seems to look at everything and try to think it is still not sleek & minimalist enough and he's just gone too far at some point. It's a wonder we still have keyboards at all on these laptops!

I have a 2018 MBP and I am lucky.. I use it 99% of the time plugged in at my desk at work. They provided us all with $400 OWC USB-3 docks so I mostly dodge the dongle thing. I have some cheaper dongles at home that live permanently on my desk. So I also don't run into too many touchbar issues since I rarely do anything serious on the internal keyboard.

For some reason my usage I don't have battery issues. A lot of my co-workers do. Ad blockers don't help with Docker & Eclipse hogging CPU.

I wish for 32GB of ram every day, we got our 2018 laptops < 6 months before they added the 32GB option.

Linux is much better, I tried a pilot System 76 laptop our IT let us try. It was great for development, hugely better than the Mac. But it was horrible as a laptop, horrible for going to meetings. Drained the battery in 1 hour if you had to do a WebEx. Constant WiFi & VPN issues. Having to reboot the machine sometimes to clear up issues with external displays and internal displays. I gave it back after a month when I admitted I was wasting 40% of my work time chasing linux issues.


> I gave it back after a month when I admitted I was wasting 40% of my work time chasing linux issues.

I feel like this isn't spoken about enough. Or that I'm doing something wrong which most people who say how their lives have changed for the better by switching to Dell+Ubuntu don't experience.

I really liked MacOS for development. It gave me a familiar Unix-like environment that didn't require me to screw around trying to fix trivial things over and over again. I didn't have to screw around with kernel updates or try to troubleshoot anything. I only ever needed to set things up once, I didn't have to worry that the next time I reboot I might lose configurations.

I've been using Elementary OS/Ubuntu on a Surface Book now for a while and dealing with it is ongoing frustration. At some point my top bar just disappeared and never came back. Trying to add any sort of modification that tries to make using the OS more intuitive leads to all sorts of unexpected issues.

I want to love GNU/Linux. I really do. But I can't even remotely understand how anyone could love it more than MacOS. GNU/Linux feels like it's always in Beta.

In truth, using GNU/Linux gives me a feeling of imposter syndrome. I feel like the reason why I can't stand it even though so many people love it isn't because the operating systems are bad, but because I'm just incompetent and don't know what I'm doing. It's frustrating.


MacOS is generally good but doesn't have a fully supported package manager.

Personally I use Ubuntu Mate and couldn't be much happier. There is no real learning curve if you've used a traditional desktop.


Amen. Ive is a hack without the firm hand of a Jobs to guide him and keep him on a tight leash.


This. They should have kept Scott Forstall. It used to be Steve Jobs that keep them in tact, and Tim Cook just pick side and tried to get harmony. Now we know It didn't work.


Right there with you. It'd be a neat addition if it didn't require sacrificing F-keys, and/or was an optional upgrade. First thing I checked is if the new 15-inch has a non-Touch-Bar option (the answer is no). I just ordered a new MacBook Air, despite being relatively underpowered, and a significant factor in the choice is that it's the only way to get Touch ID and F-keys.


My speculation is that this will be the last model with it. Next year's redesign will give up on the concept. They just have too many parts and the economics of it sort of demand a final run.




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