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I’m not familiar with vidcon- can you provide a link to the incident?


https://medium.com/@VidCon/vidcon-debrief-e6bb4e187a28#5f56

I think this observation summarizes even this thread:

> do not violate harassment policies, but the result is often that the vitriol of their followers ends up focused not on ideas, but on people

I was looking for any attempt at a neutral-ish video of the incident but came up empty.


The video taken by the "harassers" at vidcon seems pretty clear.

Were they forbidden from attending vidcon because of their alleged history of harassment of the panelists? No.

Do they get kicked out of vidcon for violating the rules? No.

Does the panelist violate the rules by calling them out and insulting them publicly? Yes.

So... let's say Sargon and his ilk are terrible people. Shall we destroy the rule of law to "get" him?

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_Bolt

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Roper: So now you'd give the Devil benefit of law!

More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast — man's laws, not God's — and if you cut them down — and you're just the man to do it — d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.

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I am disturbed by the fascination with witch-hunts. My attempts here to ask people to explain themselves have resulted in no explanations (of course). Just accusations.

Well, if those people are so bad, then the rule of law should allow them to be banned and/or punished. If they're not that bad, then the rule of law should be followed. If we're not going to follow the rule of law, then why pretend to have rules?

Maybe I'm weird... but none of that makes any sense to me.


I tried to avoid gigantic quotes from the Vidcon Medium post I linked previously, but I'm assuming you read this:

Our founder, Hank Green, talked with our panelist and said two things:

1. He told her that her comment had violated our policy, but that he understood that there was a broader context (which to be clear, we were blissfully ignorant of until this weekend, and remain inexpert in.)

2. He apologized to her for not having been more aware of and active in understanding the situation before the event, which resulted in her being subjected to a hostile environment that she had not signed up for.

> If we're not going to follow the rule of law, then why pretend to have rules?

Rules are an imperfect tool. People behaving badly while carefully staying within the limit of the rules often run afoul of the intentions of the rule makers; it boils down to trusting those responsible for rule interpretation and enforcement.


> He told her that her comment had violated our policy, but that he understood that there was a broader context

Ah... so the rules don't matter, because excuses.

Look, if Sargon and his ilk did something, fine, punish them. But so far, the only response to my request for evidence is insults.

And side-stepping the topic.

> a broader context (which to be clear, we were blissfully ignorant of until this weekend, and remain inexpert in.)

Which means that they didn't talk to the victim in this case (Sargon). Only the abuser (Anita). Sargon said as much on Joe Rogan's podcast.

i.e. accusation of guilt is assumption of guilt. Evidence be damned.

> which resulted in her being subjected to a hostile environment that she had not signed up for.

People who showed up and did nothing and said nothing to her. OMFG, crucify them.

Look this whole victim complex is appealing. But did any of it happen?

According to everyone in this thread? Nope.

> it boils down to trusting those responsible for rule interpretation and enforcement.

Nope. If they show they're biased, I don't trust them as far as a shit-flinging monkey can throw poo.



Much appreciated.




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