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Could be some logic to it - bad thinking is worse than no thinking and good thinking

The glaring number to me is only 5% of VC funds vs 52% in the US. That's 10x more opportunity despite roughly comparable economies. As long as that is true, it seems like it will always be impossible to get an organic startup industry working in the EU. Any startup that is any good will almost certainly end up getting a round of investment from the US and most likely move their base of operations there.

I wonder if recent US actions will start to influence this as there now appears to be more risk in sending your money to the US or founding your company there as a foreign entity than there used to be.


Not just startups or funding. Google alone has more AI compute than China and the EU combined.

There's no shortage of capital in Europe. But nobody wants to take the risk. Meanwhile in the US, people are putting 10-100x the capital at risk. So you can say what you want about it looking scary to you to invest in the US, but the people with capital to invest clearly don't see it that way.

More often when you hear VCs give interviews, they are saying the opposite: that never-ending EU regulations introduce more business risk than anything the US president could possibly do.


> never-ending EU regulations

Does anyone ever say what these regulations are? Or are they like "red tape" / "regulations on bendy bananas" / "WMDs" / "the war on christmas"?


There needs to be a signal for bureaucracy critics to use if they’re not bullshitting.

Because without it, they will quickly be grouped into the “I want to do things which SHOULD be forbidden” crowd, which is a pretty vocal one.


Laws are laws. Regulations aren't laws. Usually they are just extra hoops you have to jump through to do normal things. Paperwork, studies, government reviews, agency approvals, etc. These things slow down and encumber normal business. Some of them are important and necessary. Many are not.

I am not arguing for any law to be changed to allow someone to do things most people wouldn't want them to do. I don't think the VCs are arguing for that either. And that's not the case in the EU anyhow: laws are pretty similar on the major stuff among western countries.

I don't know why you're assuming that's my position, and I don't know why it's on me to avoid being "grouped" in with anyone. Assuming things that aren't true when you get defensive is your own personal issue, not mine.


My dad was a farmer under EU regulation and there was a stack of paper about 1 ft think to grow some barley. I don't know how that relates to AI. Another thing in Italy it's near impossible to fire people which makes people very reluctant to set up some business where cashflow for employment varies much.

I live in the UK where we seem quite good at inventing things but not that good at global profit making with a result that companies like DeepMind and ARM get bought by foreign investors.


> Another thing in Italy it's near impossible to fire people

It's just as impossible to fire people in Japan and Korea yet I'm quite sure they're doing quite a lot better at the startup per capita ratio when compared to population under 40.

Italy is also infamous in the EU for its bureaucracy, together with Germany. Look at how half of Italy's football stadiums are falling apart to a degree not seen in neighboring Spain or France.

Farming is unrelated to tech. I believe your dad.


They are exactly like the things you named. If you talk to a bunch of EU founders (not just a single loud one on X) you'll find regulations are low down on the priority list of things that make it harder in the EU.

I’m not all that convinced on the regulation part.

Ultimately it’s all about investing money to create real assets that generate cash flows. One can side step regulations to some extent whilst developing a product (nobody cares/notices until you are actually growing fast) and then deal with regulations later. Uber already showed this and the leading AI firms are following the same act - having ripped off a lot of content but nobody threw a fit until a legit asset came out of it.


Yes, let's ignore regulations that provide people with stable jobs, societies, and countries. Afterall what good is democracy when the alternative is making more money?

A lot of these are mostly well-meaning but have backfired. The only way an international business is going to consider investing in French workers, for example, is with relatively low salaries to offset the inability to fire them.

It's counterintuitive but if you allow "failing fast", you lower risk of new engagements, and this allows for more speculative bets on ideas and people.

Make it difficult to evict tenants? Expect more stringent requirements from landlords

Enact rent control? Initial rents are going up, new builds are are disincentivized.

Strong worker protection? Expect fewer highly paid roles (wage compression)

I'm not saying these regulations are unilaterally bad - I'm saying don't be surprised that there are 2nd-order effects that are arguably just as bad, if not worse.


I would push back on a few things from what you mentioned.

> The only way an international business is going to consider investing in French workers, for example, is with relatively low salaries to offset the inability to fire them.

> Strong worker protection? Expect fewer highly paid roles (wage compression)

For European startups it’s different motivation. Lower salaries than in USA are an advantage, but job security isn’t a show stopper. First team is hired in fixed contracts, which may be converted to permanent with growth. In scaling phase you add external support, with e.c. 20% of workforce coming from outstaffing, so that you can react on the market and scale down when needed. If you are big enough to be called international business, you will not hire in one of the most expensive locations in the world (USA) unless you have a good reason. There exist other easy-to-fire tech hubs, and it’s not a big problem in Europe anyway (it’s just some more effort to execute, but even with payouts it’s probably cheaper than in US).

> Make it difficult to evict tenants? Expect more stringent requirements from landlords

In Europe there’s less homeless people. It doesn’t work like that.

>Enact rent control? Initial rents are going up, new builds are disincentivized.

It’s not rent controls that make markets inefficient. They are reaction to NIMBY regulations and disincentivized home ownership like in Germany. Root cause is uncontrolled extraction of scarce resource (land) and the solution is actually to scale down for-profit rental market while aggressively subsidizing ownership and construction.


This is something you talk to people about that are in the western world but outside of the US (which includes me) but whenever I have the conversation people just can't grasp it.

The US, by having bad worker protections and privacy abusing tech companies, etc. have been able to pave the way for extreme amounts of innovation that just wouldn't happen anywhere else. The rest of the world then effectively has innovation subsidized since they import the finished product.


I also found most US startup opportunities to be practically enabled by shitty service provided by the incumbents, whether it is the state or the banks or the healthcare system.

Take Cost Plus Drugs, for instance. Or companies enabling faster cash transfers over the internet, like Paypal. Or healthcare insurance plans from Oscar Health or prescriptions from Truepill. Or videos made by Khan Academy, which are currently in use in many schools across the US.


Yes, let's ignore all nuance in the discussion and presume that the people saying EU has too many regulations must be saying that the only alternative is ZERO regulations.

You can not regulate either of the above into existence. What good are rhetorical questions when they are nonsensical?

No one is saying "ignore regulations". The US has regulations also. Every country does.

The EU has taken it to another level.


Makes sense. You’re saying why would regulations matter when clearly they can just be ignored.

For venture ultimately it’s a soulless moneyman’s game. Really they have to pick winners, and anybody can look at the landscape and see there’s just not gonna be a Pierre Zuckerberg or a Klaus Kalanick. And if there ever is, he’ll need to raise lots of money anyway, which would come from venture.


> there’s just not gonna be a Pierre Zuckerberg or a Klaus Kalanick

Which is very much a positive. Those two aren’t a boon to humanity, they very much made everything worse at a global scale. We need fewer people emulating them, not more.


I don’t consider VC investments to be particularly beneficial to the world. This idea of “let’s use capital to make it faster for people to exploit others with the only goal of generating more capital” does more harm than good.

Venture Capital is how entrepreneurs get off the ground and are able to try out new ideas. It is of both the entrepreneur's interest and the investors' interest that the product or service being developed captures value in the market, so they can reimburse their original investments. Without Venture Capital, we are limiting business creation to people who are already wealthy, which severely limits the pool of potential creativity that the society can utilize.

We have regulations in place to make it more difficult and more risky for businesses to engage in immoral behavior, but these regulations usually appear after observing bad behavior.


The funding allocation is a reflection of different cultures really.

I’m from the UK but there’s no way there’s the same density, drive, and hunger to take risk, to the extent that you find in US. Also there’s a lot more synergy in the US vs a fragmented Europe.


I’m also from the UK and I think this is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

As a UK founder that has raised in the UK, I have seen our US competitors raise substantially more with substantially less traction, so in future I’m significantly more tempted to look across the pond for raising. It has little to do with my culture vs theirs, and all to do with where the opportunity sits.

Many of the other founders I know with the “drive and hunger” as you put it, have already made the same jump.


This seems pretty limited to tech. For example in domains like media and marketing - I mean startups in these fields, not "marketing team of a tech startup" which is tech - the amount of "drive" feels the same whether the US or the EU.

So it's purely tech. And there, that extra "drive" that leads to the US and modern VC culture seems to largely be based on a hunger for power and immense wealth, when it comes down to it. I know everyone pretends it doesn't, changing the world for the positive, blah blah. But when push comes to shove, that's the outcomes we're seeing.


> It has little to do with my culture vs theirs, and all to do with where the opportunity sits.

So it does have to do with culture. The US has better culture for starting a business. You can't just divorce the opportunity that came from the culture just to make a point.


there's probably a high correlation between people with the "drive and hunger" to build a startup in the first place with those that would have the "drive and hunger" to relocate overseas to make it successful.

Yet the UK did produce Deepmind. Which you can look at both ways since it got gobbled up by Google. But it at least came from the UK.

I assume the article excludes the UK, I feel like UK has much more of a startup and VC scene than Europe does and I wonder if that is part of the issue : if you do want to create a startup, the London is a better place than mainland Europe. So even startups that for whatever reason won't take US funding still land outside Europe.


Deepmind was not a viable business at the time Google acquired it. Today, it is probably even less viable. It functions as R&D-lab for Google which has its own products and datacenters.

> Yet the UK did produce Deepmind

That was a long time ago. That UK is not the UK of today.


There are places with the same entrepreneurial drive that are part of the EU. But look at an LP-facing deck for a VC fund in Europe, and I can't recall ever seeing an investment with a little flag of Poland.

My belief is the underlying dynamics are less about, generalizing about cultures. Like you're right that that's what US VCs say, and collective belief is truth in markets even if it is not truth in reality. The bigger factor is EU, meaning French, Dutch, German, Swiss and Italian capital, are concentrated into the hands of large, opaque family trusts, structured primarily around tax evasion first and foremost, and other feudal issues, rather than minimizing the downsides of real risk or whatever, and that feudal stuff means, why do early stage investing? Without that there's little innovation. Hence Mistral, a growth stage company that everyone is happy making the growth stage, "dot AI" and "dot EU" winner. Presumably for EU sovereign wealth to be forced to buy.


> There are places with the same entrepreneurial drive that are part of the EU.

Name them rather than being vague, clearly people here want to hear where they are.


That's why Mistral is not focused on raising venture capital. Instead, they prioritize securing government contracts; hence their significant political lobbying efforts.

This assumes one would want a startup industry. It's a bit like wishing your country had more private equity.

Imagine all the great investments the US VCs are missing outside of AI.

Can anybody validate this Github Copilot trick for accessign Opus 4.6? Sounds too good to be true.

I'm not what I'd call a heavy user, but I've also mainly been using Copilot in VS Code on the basic sub.

You do get Opus 4.6, and it's really affordable. I usually go over my limits, but I'm yet to spend more than 5 USD on the surcharges.

Not seen a reason to switch, but YMMV depending on what you're doing and how you work.


Longtime happy Copilot user here. It's true.

The pricing is so good that it's the only way I do agentic coding now. I've never spent more than $40 in a month on Opus, and I give it large specs to work on. I usually spend $20 or so.


It is true, it's the official pricing of GitHub Copilot.

Why is GitHub sticking to per-request pricing when other providers switched to per-token for the high performing models?

More likely loss leader to market capture. Not unusual for MSFT. XBox One, Razor and Blade, etc.

Maybe MS wants people to use Co Pilot.

The real question for me, if we assume they once again have a competitive frontier model, is what this means for Meta's strategy now. In particular, have they abandoned all their philosophy of the open ecosystem / open model play they were pursuing before?

While it's true, llama4 sucked, I still can't help feeling they have lost ground compared to where they would have been if they maintained that strategy. Due to llama, they were considered a peer with the other frontier model providers. Now they are not even in the conversation. It would take an incredible shift in performance to make me even consider using their new model. They may have a model, but the other providers have been busy building whole ecosystems around their tech which Meta has none of.

Maybe they could dump $1b into OpenCode or something and reignite the open ecosystem play with an open harness. They need something to get back in the conversation, if that's where they want to be. Otherwise, it will just be another closed, hidden proprietary AI model driving user facing Meta apps, but which nobody else cares about.


no need for an open harness when anthropic so kindly gifted the community theirs :)

So if I'm understanding right, Claude Code can use Claude Code now?

No, what you gonna want to do is use opencode to use claude code to write codex.

They've frustrated the biggest military on the planet to the point of issuing expletives. It's a huge moral win. Symbolism matters more than anything else in these situations.

Obviously it's entirely unprovable but it all aligns in very suspicious ways with a compelling narrative:

Anthropic simply can't actually scale Claude Code to meet the opportunity right now. Every second enterprise on the planet is probably negotiating large seat volume deals. It's a race for survival against the other players. The sales team is making huge promises engineering and ops can't fulfil.

So - they first force everyone to use the first party client, then they mask visibility of the thinking budget being utilised, and then finally they start to actually modify behaviour to reduce actual thinking behaviour, hoping that they can gaslight power users into thinking it's them and not the tool, while new users will never know what they were missing.

Is the narrative true? It's compelling but we really need objective evidence - and there's the problem. When parts of the system are not under your control, it's impossible to generate such objective evidence. Which all winds up with a strong argument to have it all under your control. If it didn't happen this time, it probably will. Enshittification is a fundamental human behavioral constant.


I believe they can't afford anymore to subsidize inference with VC money or that they are trying to get their balance sheet in order for an IPO.

So they could be trying to tighten the thinking budget (to decrease tokens per request) or to lobotomize the model (to have cheaper tokens). I mean, no-one is really sure how much a 200 dollars/month plan actually costs Anthropic, but the consensus is "more than that" and that might be coming to an end.

This explanation falls well in line with the recent outrage about out of quotas error that people were reporting for the cheaper (or free) plans.


This is much needed. It says so much that "Title includes" is an advanced search .... I really wonder what a basic search is.

My pet peeve: no way to filter on language. Once you hit obscure enough content, you start getting videos back in languages you can't understand. With no way to filter them out. So frustrating. Would be great to add that here. Assuming it even exists in the metadata.


> building products around claude -p

But OpenClaw is not a product. It's just a pile of open source code that the user happens to choose to run. It's the user electing to use the functionality provided to them in the manner they want to. There's nothing fundamental to distinguish the user from running claude -p inside OpenClaw from them running it inside their own script.

I've mostly defended Anthropic's position on people using the session ids or hidden OAuth tokens etc. But this is directly externally exposed functionality and they are telling the user certain types of uses are banned arbitrarily because they interfere with Anthropic's business.

This really harms the concept of it as a platform - how can I build anything on Claude if Anthropic can turn around and say they don't like it and ban me arbitrarily.


Claude Code is not a platform and you’re not meant to be building on it. Netflix is also not a platform and you shouldn’t be running code (open source or not) to mass download Netflix movies either.

It's a reasonable comment, and I should be clear, I don't expect it to be a platform. But I do expect to be able to use its advertised features for any reasonable purpose they can support.

Where it leaves me is is sort of like the DoD - nobody should use Claude for anything. Because Anthropic has set as principle here that if they don't like what you do, they will interfere with your usage. There is no principle to guide you on what they might not like and therefore ban next. So you can't do anything you want to be able to rely on. If you need to rely on it, don't use Claude Code.

And to be clear, I'm not arguing at all against using their API per-token billed services.


That rather hinges on exactly what "can support" means. Can they support use cases which work individually but would exceed their capacity to provide if done by a large number of their subscribers?


Is using claude -p supposed to be dangerous? Could someone be confused as openclaw or other things?

If yes, why do Anthropic provide this cli flag?


Given it is reported to be successfully targeting Israel with cluster ammunitions in warheads, I am curious what stops Iran from targeting US ships even far outside the strait? I would have thought if you could send multiple missiles with cluster bombs simultaneously at short notice it would be very difficult to counter and impose catastrophic cost.

Is anti-missile defense is just that good on ships that no amount of simultaneous missiles and decoys can overcome it?


The chances of a ballistic missile hitting a ship - a small, moving target in the middle of the sea - are negligible. And a 4kg bomblet wouldn't do much damage anyway.

Have you seen the 'no smoking' signs on those vessels?

Sinking a US ship would be a drastic escalation. Iran has done a lot of damage to US assets but inflicted few casualties, demonstrating both capability and restraint. If they destroyed the American boomers' few remaining illusions of supremacy by sinking a ship and potentially killing hundreds of crew, the loss of face would likely instigate a drastic response that could lead to a worst-case scenario. Much better for Iran to keep playing bloody knuckles and force the US and Israel to beg for peace when their missile defenses and appetite for war run dry.

Interesting to see three entirely different responses to my question - but I think I believe this one the most. Not necessarily that they could be successful in attacking (who knows), but that trying would escalate things on the wrong timeline for them. At this point, they actively want to drag this out.

My sense at the moment is they are pursuing a "humiliation" strategy where they will persuade Trump to withdraw by making it too embarrassing to continue. For that, all they have to do is make him look impotent, which they achieve by continuously provoking just enough to force a response (either military, or Trump to issue yet another TACO threat he can't carry through with) but then popping up a few days later with a new attack showing it didn't work.


It's a waste. Iran can't win against the US army. They'll win by being as disruptive as possible, for as long as possible. They'll keep seldomly launching rockets until they get what they want or the global economy collapses. This whole situation perfectly illustrates that wars are won with intelligence, and not by gung ho "warrior ethos" morons like Hegseth.

Are you saying Iran, a country that was just sanctioned to hell for almost half a century, with a defense budget of at most $30B is outsmarting our $2T/year military which we consider to be the greatest in the world? The can't be. That's literally the only thing that makes this nation "great". That would imply that our country is being led by morons

Who says they didn’t? Although not widely reported in mainstream US media, there are lots of claims online that US Navy ships were hit by missiles, including a clip from Trump himself. Why is the Ford and Lincoln so far away?

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