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The article doesn't say, but I wonder if he ever got paid out for what he was owed after he walked away.

I once ran the tech side of a small startup where money was always tight and we were paying low wages in exchange for equity. But we always made sure to pay our employees first so they could eat and pay rent and keep working. One time one of our more expensive employees quit to take a better paying job. I'm ashamed to say it took us multiple months to finally pay him out his final paycheck - but once he left he was no longer the priority. I remember a few conversations with him where I stated that I was paying the office and server bills on my personal credit card and, no, I wouldn't take a cash advance to pay him his last 2 weeks in arrears. He did eventually get paid.


For anyone listening, if you live in CA absolutely do not do this, especially if you are tight on money. Employee can take 30 days of pay + attorneys fees if they are not paid out within 72 hours of their last paycheck and it's quite easy to win a lawsuit given the facts here. Something like that probably would have killed your startup, assuming you were thin enough to be paying server bills on your credit card. The corporate veil also would not have shielded you in this situation.


Massachusetts is similar.

Also, I might've misunderstood a lawyer, but it sounded like a business failing to make payroll would threaten its legal right to operate.


Would killing the startup have gotten the employee paid? The threat would probably have gotten them a slow payment plan - but no attorney fees.


Yes, it would. A missed paycheck brings you to the front of the debtor line, ahead of any bank or equity holder, when the company liquidates. The startup's owners would have been personally liable for paying out the employee in such a case.


People should remember too that bankruptcy is always an option. Both for a business and an individual for that matter. That is, nobody in theory should want to stiff their employees, clients, contractors, etc. But the reality is that businesses run out of money all the time. The odds that a new venture will survive 5 years are not good. You try and get paid but it's normal that clients will go out of business or barely survive without paying (and little point going after them if there is no money. Since "Going after them" takes time and money.)


In bankrupcy not all debts are equal. And wages come first :)


In some places of the world this is an offence you can get sued for and end paying a lot more than the original sum.


people will generally do what is necessary to get by, which often includes committing various offenses. Life sucks.


It'd up for the judge then to rule if a mere inconvenience like a loan really constitutes a necessity, and to be honest I doubt it ever will.


Won’t you think of the small business owner? /sadge


>He was no longer the priority

Paying him was legally no less a priority than paying any other owed employee wage. Maybe it was indeed a major priority to him.

>and, no, I wouldn't take a cash advance to pay him his last 2 weeks in arrears. He did eventually get paid.

So al though there were options available to you that would have caused you some temporary economic pain, you did indeed decide to fuck him over for a long while anyhow.


Fortunately, he remained friends with the other guys on the team and continued playing on our company hockey team (hockey-tech startup), so even though he was mad at myself and the CEO, I don't think he wanted to sue us into submission. I think he understood the ~$2500 we owed him (2004) was double the salary of our other guys and potentially could have been the difference between company survival and lights out. He was wise to leave at the time, with a better job in hand. Our finances did get better and we did pay him + interest a few months later. It sucked (and like I said I am ashamed) but there are unfortunate ugly decisions you sometimes have to make at a startup for survival.


If the options are to pay out immediately and risk shuttering the business, or delay, most people will probably delay.

It doesn't make it legally or morally right, but that's the way it goes.

> ...caused you some temporary economic pain

Not only them, but potentially all the other people who rely on the business.


I never got paid! Sadly enough.


You’re probably lucky he didn’t speak to a lawyer, this could have been a very costly mistake in many many places. Sucks but also quite right too - you fucked him over.


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Application Engineer or Product Manager, perhaps? Or somthing similar more towards the tech/marketing boundary where you are interfacing with people as much as actual product.


I'm an Electrical Engineer/Entrepreneur who has done hardware design for small startups.

It sounds like with a working Arduino prototype, you are well on your way.

How is your idea/prototype being received? Are people interested and have you been able to get market research/feedback on what people would be willing to pay?

Redoing the circuit design for a non-Arduino second prototype and doing the mechanical casing/enclosure is not a trivial task, but doesn't have to be exceptionally costly or time consuming, either. Depending on what circuit you are designing and what sort of molded casing you need, you could have a self-designed prototype in a few weeks to a few months for perhaps as little as a few thousand dollars.

The real key in a hardware design is making sure that it is designed for easy manufacturability and low cost when you are ready to build in quantity.

You'll probably want to do you initial runs using a local or regional contract manufacturer, but down the line you may want to do mass production in China, etc. Setting up this pipeline and doing quality control with this is often the most difficult part of the hardware process (just ask the Wakemate guys), but can definitely lower the cost. You have to balance the numbers, though. If the quantities aren't there, I've found it best to fabricate locally.

Regardless, feel free to drop me a line if you are interested in talking more about the process, timelines, and costs involved.

I may be able to help you out with the circuit and meechanical design, as well, if you are interested.


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