Everyone like to shit on node/nextjs ecosystem. Developers are putting real effort to improve though. JS tooling is moving to rust, node is adding high level APIs so we should need lesser third part libraries.
I have an idea, also replace JS with Rust, don't stop at the tooling.
Kind of interesting how the scripting languages that were all the range in 2010 as replacement for Java, C#, are now being rewritten in Rust, Go, C++, Dart after crumbling in performance issues.
Why are you excluding C# and Java here? There are certainly many rewrites to these languages, but this kind of rewrites are "boring" for the crowds here and don't get the spotlight. IMO building web services with Rust, C++ is a almost always a wrong choice.
The people with money don't care, as the very next day Vercel got a series F. That is funny tho because I remember him being pretty anti-israel back in our High school on the long defunct semi-official foropelle.com.ar he owned and managed.
He is a programming prodigy, and that's it. Not a nice person.
Nevertheless, my anecdote should only be taken with a grain of salt... After all, the only person that probably has backups of foropelle is Rauch himself. And who cares what a teenager had to say back in 2006?
Or they're including AI as a buzzword in whatever they were already doing, and not exactly ignoring a new tool, but might be overselling how useful AI is to their thing?
Why almost lie though? Like, if I am a company and I integrate AI just to say to my investors that I got AI so that they can not feel FOMO is utterly bonkers and well, I don't know but the investors definitely don't sound reasonable and I think that the people who are somehow lending money to these investors who are investing on such basis definitely need to think about their life choices if the company in their portfolio is selected or not just because of this seemingly bizarre checkbox that most general public is actually in fact against of having.
I don't think anyone anywhere on the totem pole: from the junior engineer, to the engineering manager, to the founder, to the VC, to the investors, cares if it's actually AI. They just want to see the word there. Someone got it into their head that "AI is the thing now" and now the junior engineer isn't going to get hired unless he says AI. The Eng manager is not going to get promoted unless he talks about managing AI. The Founder is not going to be funded unless he says the company relates to AI. The VC is not going to line up investors unless he says AI. And investors have no clue what to do with their money, but heard somewhere that "AI is the thing now" and that's where they want to flush their money.
Nobody really wants any of this shit as a product.
Why sell shit that you don't want yourself/ aren't passionate about??
That is just exploitative of sorts on preying people who don't have enough knowledge about AI let's say...
And this behaviour shouldn't be condoned though
> And investors have no clue what to do with their money, but heard somewhere that "AI is the thing now" and that's where they want to flush their money.
This is where the system needs to change, People need to realize this that maybe AI is in a bit of bubble right now and not try to invest in such things...
But profits....
Shush, profits can come another day if business has good solid financials otherwise welp, that isn't investing, that's just speculating in the AI bubble
>Why sell shit that you don't want yourself/ aren't passionate about??
Best interpreation: you need to pay bills and this startup is your last hope after sending out 500 apps and getting 3 interviews back (2 interviews ghosted you after the first round and the 3rd said "overqualified" despite it being a senior role)
Worst interpretation: we're in a gold rush, and a lot of people will sell fool's gold if they can.
I understand this situation and maybe this is the reason why I think that we might need to change the system so that there isn't so much pressure on people to pay the bills that startup becomes the last hope..
Like, I definitely understand the desperation but I can't help but blame the system which lead us to where we are but I don't really know man, maybe blaming the system wouldn't help either and there is definitely some pessimism in the air.
We can change so much things but to me it just seems as if __people don't care__ And I can understand if people are busy in their lives but now we are just gonna have this churn keep on going and going and this bubble is going to burst which is suddenly gonna impact people's wallets but then everybody is going to forget just as they forgot the web bubble.
The system is 1000% to blame and it should be something we bring more awareness of.
But that's sadly not happening here. Every story about the true problems get flagged because HN seems to have this strong sense of staying apolitical in a time of absolutely rampant destruction happening in real time most recent example of the US government shutting down: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45434146
There's a lot of Apathy but what really worries me is the almost forced ignorance from people who should be able to rise beyond that. I guess it's just a reflection on how Silicon Valley also sold out when push came to shove. Whatever makes more money, morality, ethics, and long term preservation be damned.
>Nobody really wants any of this shit as a product.
To be fair, the investor never cared about the product to begin with. It's a shame that that apathy spread all down the totem pole. But I guess taht's what happens when the consumer is no longer the audience of consumer products.
Literally every tech startup company out there is spinning itself as AI. I’m familiar with some of them well enough to know that the AI is bullshit. You could be running an SVM on some data and you’re now “powered by AI”. I’m not joking.
So like internet startups in the 90s. Like .com in the late 90s. Like social media startups in the late 2000s/2010s. It's all cycles. Every bubble is talked about on HN (and similar sites) because that's the purpose of sites like this.
maybe a big difference is those hype cycles were net-positive for developers. This is the first one in a while that has VCs and upper management salivating with the idea of cutting all the devs lose. Who do YOU think this is likely to replace first, technical developers or administrators?
It worries me a lot what are those devs without jobs now, will do next? Do they change to the dark side and start battling AI startups and technologies?
That's the stupid part. Nothing is actually automated yet. AI is just a smokescreen for the recession we're clearly in but no one wants to say out loud.
And I sense a reckoning on the horizon. There's a reason the 10's were filled with billionaire (now trillionaire) tech companies poaching any potential talent that can rise against them. That knowledge is still there and rife to disrupt.
>mention the word union here and you'll still get beat with a stick.
I'm in the games industry. It's slow but people are starting to wake up here. Only took decades of abuse, instability, and rampant layoffs in an industry alreaady known for regular layoffs. But you know the quote about Churchill and Americans.
I've also noticed many startups from prior YC batches that haven't found traction yet have pivoted to AI-related offerings. It's been kind of amusing to watch them become absorbed into the hype cycle, one by one.
This comes from the "real world". React ecosystem deliberately loathe CSS. Just give me one professionally designed website where CSS is used as intended, using modern features like @layers, calc(), and --variables. I'm super curious! Hoping I'm wrong :)
I'm struggling to understand what you're getting at tbh – I definitely see the disdain against vanilla CSS in a lot of React users / projects, and I'm with you in being critical of that, I quite enjoy writing plain modern CSS and haven't had any real interest in Tailwind and tools like it.
The point is that React doesn't impose any of that and even suggests the "classic" CSS approach in the official docs, so I don't think you can use it as point of criticism of React, the framework, which you seem to be doing since you are drawing a comparison between React and your own framework.
The "ecosystem", which certainly does it's own thing, doesn't have anything to do with that, especially since I'm guessing Nue does not have an "ecosystem" at this point (that's not an insult!) so the comparison seems a bit pointless?
I see your stance! There are two ways to this: JS-first (React) or HTML- first. Hyper takes the latter: purely focusing on the semantic HTML structure when assembling interfaces. Focusing on pure structure (like React 1.0) and delegating design and logic to concerns that master it the best.
This is a prime example of how complexity grows and how simple components remain simple. Just look for the button example: the one button being larger than the entire app. Consider going on from there. Think legos: the 2/4/8 units scale, while the more complex units struggle to fit together.
I'm not playing this game with you, people can go look at previous posts for your software and decide themselves.
I'll just leave one great example - you keep saying that JS can't handle more than 150k records, when people explained to you that it's simply due to the syntax you've used: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43546118
I mean even basic stuff is different. You have thead and tbody in the react example but not in the hyper example. It adds number of lines differential which I guess is supposed to be impressive but when I see stuff like that it makes me think the whole comparison is worthless since it can't be trusted.
Agreed. No reason to show more than 100+ entries on a single table. Event sourcing isn't about UI patterns but rather one level beyond it: the "back of the frontend" [1]:
