Same as when the EU puts a ton of restrictions on farmers within the EU countries -- Co2, fertiliser requirements, etc. -- making food so expensive to produce many go out of business and the remainder become practically luxury food, and then countries just end up having to import food from countries outside the EU _without_ those restrictions, simply offloading the environmental burden on "some other countries somewhere".

It's a farse.

Food is actually pretty cheap in the EU (in absolute prices compared to the US and relative to income compared to most other places), so I don't know what you mean.

You're not contradicting me. Read it again.

That's a feature

I would love to know why it's considered a feature for you.

I remember messing with bouncers and reading the backlog from a 3rd party page. Bots that would ping other members when they come online. It was cumbersome.

Because I prefer online conversations to work like IRL ones: Ephemeral. Sure each individual might keep their own log if they want but the server itself doesn’t and setting aside all the issues with modern datasets being used for training all sorts of algorithms, just the concept of stepping into a digital room without all the baggage of the last twenty hours of conversation is _mentally refreshing_. It also changes people’s behaviour for the better IME.

But on IRC you had your own log, and sometimes the server made the full logs public. It was just cumbersome to access. What I said and you said in my presets was still logged.

It's a muddy middle ground where neither you are I are satisfied. Far from perfect.

I wanted to disagree but I really miss IRC internet. Saving everything we ever said online was a mistake. We need to focus on ephemeral chat making a comeback.

IRC still exists at a semi large scale. If you're looking to return

Saving logs has been essential for work, in the past, because we were always to write real documentation when necessary. Mind you, this was local to our machine.

To a modern audience, it's definitely not.

Nitro cancelled, all boosts for my servers cancelled, have recommended my communities all do the same. It'll be a lot less smooth but we can go back to IRC + Mumble.

Enshittification and profit-maxing strikes down yet another decent piece of software. Rest in piss.

If you think net zero’s failures are a right wing talking point it might be you failing the Rorschach test

Bringing up net zero in a thread about semiconductor manufacturing is a complete non sequitur. Fabs run on electricity which is quite easy produce without emitting any CO2.

Only if you ignore supply chains, manufacturing, procurement of raw materials, grid balancing, and so much more.

You're, of course, misrepresenting what I was replying to. Here it is again:

> 'green everything, at all costs' and importing millions of unskilled people who don't share your values

Are you in good faith attempting to argue that those sentiments are not predominantly right wing talking points?

They may be but that doesn’t make them wrong. I don’t keep track of what everyone on any “side” tall about and how many percentages do what. That’s noise. The arguments are valid regardless of who says them.

Was there anything in my initial post that made a judgement as to the validity of these talking points?

Yeah but they didn’t have social media algorithms turning their brains into slush

They also didn't have nuclear weapons to use in global conflicts over resources.

> If an agent isn't running, I ask myself "is there something an agent could be doing for me right now?"

Solution-looking-for-a-problem mentality is a curse.

That tells me everything I need to know about this guy.

/ignore

And it’s making that up as well.

Seems like Amazon is doing the right thing cutting down its corporate workforce then.

Automating editing is by definition making it slop.