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Actually no, KMT was at war with CPC. By unification, KMT meant (notice the past tense here) taking out CPC and rule mainland themselves.

This position has changed 180 degrees in recent decades. The unification now KMT is promoting is essentially just give up and let CPC take over.

Notice KMT is a foreign political party that originates from mainland China.

Taiwanese people never had a say in that (Taiwanese social elites were slaughtered by KMT) before DPP became a real political party that's born and raised in Taiwan.

Ma Yingjiu's statement was to maintain KMT's legitimacy as a party in Taiwan, that is, through a country named ROC.

However, for Taiwanese. Our country is called Taiwan. And that's how we recognise ourselves long before 1911.


being a Taiwanese, I feel (2) and (3) are actually the perception people have from exposure to China-originated fake news that intents to obscure current Taiwanese government's efforts.

No doubt about (1)


There is no point arguing with me -- I'm pretty sure you watch those politics talk shows. Branding all of them as "fake news" is not helpful.

If you disagree, you'd better refute me with facts. Tell us what achievements (political, economical) DPP had in the past three years; show us the growth in the past two decades.

(I learned the term 22k not too long ago)


Well... I really don't watch those and clarifying facts is always important. So here you go:

This is the GDP for Taiwan is recent years, clearly an ascending trend: https://tradingeconomics.com/taiwan/gdp

As for political achievements, things like (1)having a female president (2)openly supports LGBTQ rights (3)Taiwan's recognition from other like-minded democratic counties has never been stronger since 1979. If these are not political achievements, I don't know what is.

As for 22k, low income for young generation is a real (global) issue, which DPP is fighting hard to solve. Having a pro-China, conservation populist figure like Gou is only going the worsen the problem of distribution of wealth.


Well... IMO "unification" is the wrong term, "invasion" is what China is actually doing.


As a Taiwanese, I disagree completely. (1) Taiwan is not in China, geographically and politically . (2) KMT has already surrendered


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So do educate us with facts. Because, you know, many of us don't think your position is correct, given what we think we know of history and politics. You may in fact know more, but merely stating the claim does nothing. It neither educates nor persuades - it merely argues.


Facts are, geographically it's entirely separate. Taiwan does not even intersect with China's convex-hull. (not that this matters)

Politically, Taiwan's de-facto sovereignty is always an internationally recognized fact.

And I do believe this has been an international consensus for years (except for China and [Winnie the pooh](https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855) of course)


As Taiwanese, from what I observed, given the level of populism that's going on in the country, the chance of him being elected next year is highly probable. This is a very very very serious threat to Taiwan's effort to counter China's invasive actions.

Also even though Mazu is super big in Taiwan, Taiwanese are generally seeing this only as a political declaration. (Religion in Taiwan is more of a spiritual guidance than an actual superior being that dictates people lives.)


Curious why the populists are siding with the pro-Beijing crowd. It’s not like the PRC is very populist friendly.


Actually PRC is very pro-populism. It's an easy way to manipulate the public. False information combines with some provoking words, you get Chinese communists' means of control.

This should be an useful reference: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/04/ta...


For certain strains in certain context sure, but I’m still confused why a Taiwanese populist would side with CPC.

Sure, you could naïvely buy into the whole reunification thing, but it’s not like Beijing wouldn’t assert complete control. Just look at Hong Kong, or the fact that the mainland has a couple of orders of magnitude more of... everything.


well... populist can exist in all political spectrum and entities, as long as it's a popular opinion that feed on fabricated or ambiguous information.


Interestingly, a lot of companies listed in China are actually Taiwanese companies having their manufacture processes in China. If certain company have locations in both countries, I think it's very likely a Taiwanese company.


How does this work anyway? China doesn't recognize Taiwan as independent state and breaks up diplomatic ties with those states that do.


Likewise Taiwan formally does not recognise the People's Republic. Both sides see themselves as the rightful Chinese government (especially [only?] when the Kuomintang is in power in Taipei).

What happens is both sides have special procedures to deal with each others which allow to control and enable travel and trade without recognising the other side's claims while recognising people as Chinese, not foreigners.


> Both sides see themselves as the rightful Chinese government

Tricky subject here. The statement might sound true but has very very different sentiments on both sides.

For the Chinese gov., Taiwan is a province of China, "the rightful Chinese government" extends its jurisdiction over all Chinese territories, including Taiwan. However, from Taiwan's perspective, Taiwan and mainland China have two different governments (the stress is on "Taiwan is not part of China", not there is only one rightful Chinese gov,). In fact, if you ask anyone in Taiwan today, they are more likely to refer to the island as Taiwan (instead of "Republic of China") and themselves Taiwanese.


The formal position is the same on both sides.

When dealing with legal matters (like travelling or trading) this is what counts.


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