I mean... I've been a Facebook user since 2006 and I don't see much spam at all in my feed. So I guess like PaulHoule said, it's a cold start problem and the defaults are terrible.

559 vs 720? That's literally like a few coffees. I went to Amsterdam (assuming you're dutch) and I paid 5 euro for a coffee.

Go for the Mac Mini, the hardware incl thermal is also built exceptionally well. That's why you still have 20 year old Mac Minis still running as home servers etc.

If you're spending 170 euros on coffee then you're either abnormally rich or abnormally bad with money for a Dutchman.

Without the ability to upgrade either storage or RAM, a 256GB SSD with 16GB RAM is quite useless for a home server. Minisforum doesn't offer any options with that little RAM and storage it seems (you can pick between barebones and 1TB models).

The bare minimum spec for the Mac Mini sits at an interesting price point, but if you use it for any more than the bare minimum it'll be pretty restrictive with how memory-hungry macOS has become. No Linux support to speak of also makes for a rather mediocre home server experience.

One interesting part I found out of Apple's European pricing is that after currency conversion and subtracting VAT, the European price is still equivalent to $700, which is $100 more than they charge within the US. Looks like a 1/6th price increase is all you need for consumer rights!

I spend about ZAR 1200 (or 60 EUR per month) on coffee at home but who knows with all my cappuccinos. It's not really cheaper here in South Africa. But thanks, you made me look at my own coffee consumption now and it's always good to know!

Indeed macOS is a bit memory hungry but... unified memory, the sheer speed those chips can move data around is ridiculous. And macOS is a proper workstation Unix.

You're right - it's not ideal for headless. But there are ways. Still less painful than running Windows as as server.

my i5 7500t, 8gb ram 24/7 1l 'server' disagrees.

my atom, 4gb,1tb hdd bare metal ovh server also disagrees.

> That's why you still have 20 year old Mac Minis still running as home servers etc.

I often see statements like this made as if it's an exceptional characteristic of Macs. I've found that almost all computer hardware I buy has made it 20 years, though. Sure, a hard drive or something dies every once in a while, but most stuff gets retired because I just don't care to use it anymore, not because it doesn't work.

Exactly. Of all my hardware since 2003, which includes 5+ different GPUs that were mining and later training AI models almost non-stop the only things that stopped working and not just discarded for being too old/slow are 2 OCZ 2 SSDs which my guess would be had a bug in their firmware that caused a lockup.

> 559 vs 720? That's literally like a few coffees. I went to Amsterdam (assuming you're dutch) and I paid 5 euro for a coffee.

When someone says he drank a few coffees, I would never have guessed it was 32.

I feel like the "that's just a few coffees" metric is getting out of hand. By this metric, my current work laptop, purchased used from a local used reseller, was "a few coffees".

Also, I'm surprised how often on here I see people argue about price differences that are literally as I spend on entire computers.

And ironically, a special part failing and there being no replacement parts is more likely to happen on one of these NUCloids than a Mac mini.

So over the span of 20 years they’ll pay a multitude on these crappy computers than what the Mac mini costs once. May as well get a specced out Mac.

Isn't Apple also famous for not offering replacement parts other than replacing the whole thing and charging you accordingly?

In some cases yes, but having used Macs for decades and also working in companies with Macs for all the developers one thing is clear; these things don't easily break. Built extremely well.

(One exception being the GPU issues a few years back though on Intel MBP's)

But you can't run most Linux distros on Mac hardware without doing hacks

Depends on what you need it for. Love Mac minis but feature by feature the MS-R1 has more memory, ECC support and dual 10Gbe.

Agreed. I can definitely see the Minisforum being far more cost efficient if you're mostly doing high speed networking transfers, while the Mac is more cost efficient if you need more raw power.

The ECC is cool. I don't need that for homelab servers though. But it's good to know and Minisforum is certainly a great offering.

Maybe we need a new dBase.

Web UI's for power tools are generally not a good idea. A browser will always have limitations and not quite reach the level of e.g. a TUI. On the other hand, TUI's as you point out has some serious limitations on its own.

So the answer is native app - I think what the world need is a super fast native spreadsheet that is NOT Excel. Kinda like a combination of Excel, TUI, and MS Access in one. Fast like Numbers.app, not sluggish like Excel is.

I'd use that. But it needs to have a keyboard centric operation, and be faster and a very solid, near industrial design, no "the latest flavor of someone's Figma design". I'm having a tough time explaining this.

What do you guys think?

Good to see (although I was more than sure there are) people thinking about this same thing.

I’m using Google Sheets for house and cars. Columns that should be easily grouped are using data validation and yes - few times deep into the experiment (because I’m sometimes lazy and miss some data - so experiment is good name) I’ve changed domain a little by adding columns. It meant empty values for existing rows - that I couldn’t fill in most cases, because a lot of time passed.

Reading many comments here I think we will create multiple frameworks/standards like always and some tools will be missing things others have :(

Funny thing is sheets works good and with scripts I can (still for free in terms of money) send notifications to selected channels or do some automated actions (like check disks status or order something automatically)

Edit: sheets have sync across devices too. Single SQLite for this specific case, having less nerdy people at home is an disadvantage.

> A browser will always have limitations and not quite reach the level of e.g. a TUI

There's no reason you can't jam a TUI into a browser. Perhaps to the surprise of both kinds of user, but it's possible.

> I think what the world need is a super fast native spreadsheet that is NOT Excel.

> I'd use that. But it needs to have a keyboard centric operation

You should boot up an emulator and check out the OG: Lotus 1-2-3. Keyboard driven, extremely fast, all written in 16-bit assembler for the original IBM PC running at, what, 4MHz?

It's because of Lotus 1-2-3's use of F2 for "edit cell" that F2 is still "edit" or "rename" in most applications.

(you can then continue the tour with WordPerfect and Borland Turbo Pascal, if you like light blue)

What about intelligent lathes? "Woa hold it, it looks like you're making a barrel. Now, let's report this first before I restore power!"

That's an illegal tube is what you've got right there... Hay wait _I_ could be an illegal tube at any point, either by choice or at the mercy of a lawmakers writing tools.

AI slop

The infrastructure gap isn't AI generated

The text you wrote is generated. If you post such slop, people will stop reading after the third paragraph.

I'll give that a shot. Found it it on torrent already.

RIP Duval - he inspired me, like he inspired many others. I can't explain why, but his demeanour and sensibility. Recently watched Open Range. Need to watch more of his westerns.

RIP Duval - he inspired me too. Recently watched Apocalypse Now.

I just asked ChatGPT 5.2 (flagship model):

"[...] Walking is the most logical choice.

Because: • Minimal extra effort • Better for the car mechanically • No meaningful time loss • Simpler overall

The only time driving makes more sense

Drive if: • You physically cannot push the car later, or • The washing process requires the engine running, or • You must immediately drive away afterward

When you get to “You physically cannot push the car later” and realise it’s comparing pushing a car to driving it, those pros become very funny.

Yup, also asked the latest ChatGPT model about washing my bicycle. It for some reason suggested that I walk the bicycle to the wash, since cycling 100m to get there would be "pointless".

To be fair, if someone asked me this question I’d probably just look at them judgingly and tell them “however you want to man”. Which would be an odd response for an LLM.

Do we know if these models are also trained on scripts for TV series and movies? People in the visual medias surprisingly often take their bikes for walks.

It would be pointless if you need to get into the cycling clothing. Not what model assumes tho, probably.