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I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks "Vibe CLI" sounds like an unserious tool. I use Claude Code a lot and little of it is what I would consider Vibe Coding.

They're looking for free publicity. "This French company launched a tool that lets you 'vibe' an application into being. Programmers outraged!"

Using LLM's to write code is inherently best for unserious work.

These are the cutting insights I come to HN for.

these are just old senior devs not wanting to accept new changes in the industry.

These are the cutting insights I come to HN for.

"Not reviewing generated code" is the problem. Not the LLM generated code.

If you’re letting Claude write code you’re vibe coding

So people have different definitions of the word, but originally Vibe Coding meant "don't even look at the code".

If you're actually making sure it's legit, it's not vibe coding anymore. It's just... Backseat Coding? ;)

There's a level below that I call Power Coding (like power armor) where you're using a very fast model interactively to make many very small edits. So you're still doing the conceptual work of programming, but outsourcing the plumbing (LLM handles details of syntax and stdlib).


Peer coding?

Maybe common usage is shifting, but Karpathy's "vibe coding" was definitely meant to be a never look at the code, just feel the AI vibes thing.


I know tech bros like to come up with fancy words to make trivial things sounds fancy but as long as it’s a slop out process, it’s vibe coding. If you’re fixing what a bot spits out, should be a different word … something painful that could’ve been avoided?

Also, we’re both “people in tech”, we know LLMs can’t conceptualise beyond finding the closest collection of tokens rhyming with your prompt/code. Doesn’t mean it’s good or even correct. So that’s why it’s vibe coding.


> If you're actually making sure it's legit, it's not vibe coding anymore.

sorry to disappoint you but that is also been considered vibecoding. It is just not pejorative.


Pretty sure Karpathy coined the term here: https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383

Imo, if you read the code, it's no longer vibecoding.


The original definition was very different. The main thing with vibe coding is that you don't care about the code. You don't even look at the code. You prompt, test that you got what you wanted, and move on. You can absolutely use cc to vibe code. But you can also use it to ... code based on prompts. Or specs. Or docs. Or whatever else. The difference is if you want / care to look at the code or not.

It sure doesn't feel like it given how closely I have to babysit Claude Code lest I don't recognize the code after Claude Code is done with it when left to its own devices for a minute.

It gets pretty close for me, but I usually tell it how I want it done from the get go.

Maybe they are just trying to be funny.

Time to go and acquire necessary food stuff is not a luxury in any reasonable framing. What is the alternative, eating drive-thru every day or having Instacart deliver overpriced groceries?

I believe eating food from street vendors was the usual way for paupers until quite recently. Recall that it was common to rent a bed for a few hours and share it with someone who worked different shifts.

Maybe worth the premium was the part opposite cheap as scam insurance?

No one who lives (has lived) in California thinks Kaiser is a scam. You may not like Kaiser or HMOs, but they are not a scam by any measure. So its an odd or simply mistaken choice of words.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Permanente


I've worked places that refuse to fire low performers and its hard for it to not be toxic. I'm not saying this outcome is a forgone conclusion of unions, but my union experience is that poor performers take even longer to get rid of and I'm not sure I would be interested in that sort of environment again. This is more of an implementation problem than philosophical, but theoretically good and practically bad is still just bad.


Until healthcare and housing aren't tied to employment, making it easier to fire people will always be the monstrous position. If you want firing people with abandon to be socially acceptable then you need a public safety net. Until that's in place, I'm always going to be on the side of labor organizations demanding dignity than the people destroying lives.

How do you feel about consensual relationships? I don't impose myself on my employer, we have a mutual and consensual relationship. I don't understand, what do you want peoples material resources tied to if not their own assets?

My relationship with my employer is coercive, not consensual. They have something I need in order to survive. If I leave it will have deleterious effects on the quality of my life. You could make the argument that they are not the ones coercing me, society is or something, but I do not associate with them freely.

This was even more apparent before the ACA passed, when insurance providers were not prevented from denying or charging more for customers with pre-existing conditions. Hate your job but have cancer? Better not leave, you might not even be able to get insured at your next job.


You don't have to fire "low performers" you just have to be realistic about their skillsets and use them that way.

If you see an engineer is out of his depth then change his position, no need to fire them since like others have pointed out, that can have severe consequences in their personal lives and most of the time they can still be useful if they get more adequate work.


How many hundreds or thousands of tabs took 40+ gigs?


Like maybe 100?

I don't understand how complaining is bad, but complaining _about_ complaining is totally okay and valuable. And now you have me mildly complaining about complaining about complaining.


Go back further and the tooth problems weren't really prevalent. Gotta get back before grain cultivation though.


Shat are you basing that on? I searched around online but found the opposite, e.g. https://archive.ph/yws2m


It’s popular to believe that there is some semi-idealistic past, or at least some better past, that contradicts any notion of progress. This is supported by lack of evidence once you go far enough back, you can kind of make your own narrative unless you stick to what little evidence is available.


Yeah. Since the comment mentioned grains specifically, I wondered if it was coming from a "paleo" diet perspective.


Its from the perspective of the things that cause tooth decay and their relatively recent addition to human diets.

Processed/refined sugar for sure. But our ancestors in many parts of the world would have had plenty of access to fructose and other natural sugars, which can certainly cause tooth decay.

Probably from the preserved skulls of those lucky enough to get preserved. So, you know, good ol survivorship bias.


True

You would just die of a million other things like hunger, or spoiled food, or starvation, etc, etc


K-12 is first and foremost a daycare so both parents can be "productive". Its not only a daycare, but this is certainly its primary function since I've been able to observe the world.


I learned this when both my old laptops would no longer boot after extended off power time (couple years). They were both stored in a working state and later both had SSDs that were totally dead.


Were the SSDs toasted, or were you able to reinstall to them?


D.E.A.D.

Had to replace them.


They are just text files though. I'm sensitive to vendor lock-in and do not perceive a standard folder structure and bare text files to be that.


Yeah, the reason I like Skills better than MCP is specifically because skills are just plain text.


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